Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Moe_The_Bartender

Another one who doesn't want to talk about the EU's grotesque waste of money that doesn't belong to them.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

If and when they get deselected and are replaced by the likes of Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson and Annunziata Rees-Mogg, do you think the 'left behind former pit villages of Northern England' will get the attention they need and benefit from this in any way?

Incomprehensive that a unionised public sector worker like yourself is cheering on the far-right in your desire for political crisis. Be careful what you wish for.

I think the political class are beginning to get it, and any politician in the future that wants to be successful has to factor in the new political imperative to bring provincial England along with it.
With respect to you, I think you deep down realise that Brexit transcends partisan party politics, as proven when the likes of Dennis Skinner walks through the same lobby as the likes of Rees-Mogg.
I think we’ve had this discussion before, but the ‘far-right’ as a reasonable person would consider it, is nowhere in mainstream British politics.

Zero_Sum

Tromking wrote: »

I think the political class are beginning to get it, and any politician in the future that wants to be successful has to factor in the new political imperative to bring provincial England along with it.
With respect to you, I think you deep down realise that Brexit transcends partisan party politics, as proven when the likes of Dennis Skinner walks through the same lobby as the likes of Rees-Mogg.
I think we’ve had this discussion before, but the ‘far-right’ as a reasonable person would consider it, is nowhere in mainstream British politics.

if this is anything to go by, the i think theyre still miles off 'getting it'

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/17702107.power-up-the-north-region-to-lose-almost-500m-under-governments-post-brexit-funding-plan/

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

A fair minded Scot would acknowledge that Scotland was able to abrogate the worst excesses of Tory austerity because the per capita funding Scotland receives is considerably higher than in England.
Scotland did not make different choices it was able to cut less because it gets more money than England.
It amazes me how the obvious connection between the Brexit vote and the specific disaffection of austerity blighted England has not been made more of.

Alternatively, Scotland has different priorities (and thus should be a separate country). It also has higher rate taxes with lower threshold, so many of us are paying more towards a fairer society.

Tory austerity in England has nothing to do with saving money, it's a deliberate attempt to keep the poor down and often costs more than it saves.

I do feel bad for you guys down there, but you do keep voting in tyrants.

triathlon

Takedap wrote: »

The only thing that Boris cares about is getting his name in the history books.

As the man that destroyed the UK who played up to dumb leavers whose leave tactics seem to be wreck the wealth of those that have so that we are all now ALL equally skint. People seem to think that Boris and his family are wealthy, but that's far from the case, just like the average leaver I think Boris has a chip on his shoulder and wants to level things out , I think he is actually envious of the rich toffs he works with and wants the wealthy to come down to his level, just like most bitter leavers.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Alternatively, Scotland has different priorities (and thus should be a separate country). It also has higher rate taxes with lower threshold, so many of us are paying more towards a fairer society.

Tory austerity in England has nothing to do with saving money, it's a deliberate attempt to keep the poor down and often costs more than it saves.

I do feel bad for you guys down there, but you do keep voting in tyrants.

Another Scottish resident that doesn’t quite understand the inequitable funding differences within the U.K. and has fallen for the SNP line on Scottish exceptionalism. Scotland is not exceptional, it’s just got a lot more money to spend per capita.
Scotland does tax its citizens more and yet it still needs a hefty bung from the U.K. treasury every year. Circa £10 bn last year.
You’ll no doubt be aware that just this week another blackhole has been discovered in Scotland’s finances as the planned reduction in the block grant to cover Scotland raising more in taxes is awry by about £1 bn over three years.
You should be grateful we vote for ‘tyrants’ down here, they seem quite happy to keep with the deeply unfair funding arrangements that sees Scotland in clover and England in austerity. That said, you shouldn’t then be surprised that England drags you out of the EU against your will.

Tromking

cogito wrote: »

What austerity is that that has involved borrowing billions of pounds every year? Are you suggesting that we should have borrowed even more and, if so, what's your programme for repaying it? Perhaps you want future generations to do that by inflicting austerity on them. You seem to think that there is such a thing as a free lunch.

No.
I’m suggesting the pain of austerity should be shared equally throughout the constituent nations of the U.K.
England has borne the brunt.

gfplux

From what the candidates for Prime Minister have said it looks like Britain will still be a member of the EU after the end of October 2019.

Whatever side you are on surely everyone is sad or angry about all the wasted energy used in the last three years.

Enterprise_1701C

Indeed. We should have simply left as soon as we triggered article 50. This would have forced the eu's hand into actually negotiating rather than saying what they think should happen.

In truth we should never have agreed to their order of things, we should never have agreed to negotiate the trade agreement after the divorce agreement, that has been the main problem (apart from the idiots desperate to keep us in the protectionist organisation) because if we negotiated the trade agreement at the same time they would not have been able to hold NI over us.

The whole order of things was designed by the eu to try to force us to remain.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Indeed. We should have simply left as soon as we triggered article 50. This would have forced the eu's hand into actually negotiating rather than saying what they think should happen.

The EU has been trying to negotiate with us throughout the whole charade, but we still don't know what we want. I agree we should have just left on WTO as it'd have focused our minds to get something done.

The whole order of things was designed by the eu to try to force us to remain.

The whole order of things was designed by the EU to prevent us screwing them over. It's failed, because we can't negotiate a sofa from DFS.