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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

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  • Herzlos
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    That's a world outside of Brexit. Nothing to deal with trade deals with the EU. The markets are in Asia. That's where the affluence will be.

    And we're not in Asia. It's almost certain the EU will get better trade deals with Asia than we will on our own, and that the EU is years ahead of us in that process.
    Without the EU we're a small market on the other side of the world with declining prosperity, which doesn't make a great proposition beyond buying up cheap property.
  • buglawton
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    I doubt very much that the EU will be able to penetrate the highly protected and state sponsored key areas of the Chinese economy. It won't have any better luck that the USA. Things may have changed in say, 50 years time. By then relatively nimble countres, and I expect the UK to be one, will have learned ho to take advantage of such changes.
  • lisyloo
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    edited 6 May 2019 at 9:12AM
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    More to the question who is going to pay to train all these highly speclialist people. There's not a magical conveyor belt from overseas. The more we source the less that are left behind. All too easy to make something some elses problem. Defeats the whole object of a single unity .

    Don’t medical students have to fund themselves these days?
    They are more likely to repay than students doing other subjects like art, fashion, media studies etc.

    I agree. We leave other countries and villages short of health care professionals and in some cases bereft of young people.

    Not sure about the single unity point. We get a lot of NHS staff from outside the EU.
  • lisyloo
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    lisyloo wrote: »
    What do you mean by “your side”.
    I’m a remainder and pro-immigration.

    Can you clarify please.
    Are remainers harassing immigrants to leave? Where? Do you have a link?

    Come on philw - answer the question.
  • sevenhills
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    And we're not in Asia. It's almost certain the EU will get better trade deals with Asia than we will on our own, and that the EU is years ahead of us in that process.
    Without the EU we're a small market on the other side of the world with declining prosperity, which doesn't make a great proposition beyond buying up cheap property.


    I accept what you are saying, but at least the UK on its own should be a much simpler deal, not 27 countries that need to agree on what they want.
  • SouthLondonUser
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    buglawton wrote: »
    I doubt very much that the EU will be able to penetrate the highly protected and state sponsored key areas of the Chinese economy. It won't have any better luck that the USA. Things may have changed in say, 50 years time.
    And what do you think will happen in the first 50 years? If larger blocks don't have a chance, why would the UK?


    buglawton wrote: »
    By then relatively nimble countres, and I expect the UK to be one, will have learned ho to take advantage of such changes.
    Let's leave aside for a second the fact that 50-year predictions are impossible; how could a smaller, service-oriented economy like the UK achieve that?
  • Takedap
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    buglawton wrote: »
    By then relatively nimble countries, and I expect the UK to be one, will have learned ho to take advantage of such changes.


    Is this expectation based on anything apart from blind faith?

    Look at the industrial landscape around you. History is not on your side.
  • SouthLondonUser
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    sevenhills wrote: »
    I accept what you are saying, but at least the UK on its own should be a much simpler deal, not 27 countries that need to agree on what they want.
    Sigh...


    Yes, but how about the bargaining power of the UK vs that of the EU??? That's the whole point!!! The UK alone has much less bargaining power than the EU and could not achieve the same terms!!!
  • sevenhills
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    LHW99 wrote: »
    Certainly the standards involved are now EU rather than British standards. Industry has to adopt them, but the committees are Brussels based, and input from UK owned companies tends to be minimal as only the largest (global) corporations are likely to be asked to contribute. The standards define the tests required for new materials, and the equipment used to carry them out.


    What do Scottish building regulations say about the use of cladding on high rise domestic tower blocks?

    Since 2005 Scottish building regulations have stated that cladding and insulation on high rise domestic buildings should either be made of non-combustible materials or the whole cladding system has been the subject of a stringent fire test. From 2005 these regulations applied to new high rise domestic buildings or re-cladding work to existing high rise domestic buildings.


    https://www.gov.scot/publications/grenfell-responding-in-scotland/
  • SouthLondonUser
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    Takedap wrote: »

    The first bit is a Q&A session running to 21 questions & answers.
    For the benefit for those who don't want to trawl through it, I've summarised it below. Yes, I've shorted some of the Q&A but that's only because I can't cut & paste from what was originally a photocopied document. I have not changed the context & the link is still there for checking. All 21 are there with no omissions.


    And once more the silence of the Brexiters is defeaning. They love to post fake news from unreliable sources like the Express, then go awfully quiet when someone demolishes their arguments one by one...


    Maybe at least 1 Brexiter could be kind enough to enlighten us on what was so shocking about that FCO document???
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