Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Takedap

lisyloo wrote: »

Net migration is still high.
Yes Eu is down and non-Eu is up but I don’t think people care too much about that distinction when they can’t get a gp appointment, can’t park or are Stuck in congestion.

It's mostly the non-EU migration that people were concerned about in the first place. But they still got the idea that it was the fault of the EU.

phillw

Takedap wrote: »

It's mostly the non-EU migration that people were concerned about in the first place. But they still got the idea that it was the fault of the EU.

They were also scared of Farage's lie that Turkey were going to join and we'd be overriden by hordes of immigrants & then saw the windfall bonus of £350 million a week to the NHS.

A completely uninformed entrenched decision.

I think they assume that once we leave the EU there will be a protective barrier between us and the EU that the immigrants will have to apply for asylum in first. That theory is flawed beyond ridicule as some of the middle eastern refugees ended up in the USA.

lisyloo

Takedap wrote: »

It's mostly the non-EU migration that people were concerned about in the first place. But they still got the idea that it was the fault of the EU.

Not in my family.
We have non-EU migrant wives who have to go through quite an intensive application process (quite rightly).
Some in my family are against EU ex-cons coming here and as we know some do go on to commit crimes e.g. murder in Britain.

Seems strange to be against the uncontrolled immigration, uncontrolled in terms of not just numbers but also criminal record etc. But be against those who are tightly controlled and have to prove they won’t leach on society etc.

Seems the wrong way round.

lisyloo

Herzlos wrote: »

Those all sound like infrastructure problems and not an immigration problem?

You seem to be assuming people vote/voted logically.
I’m not sure that’s the case.

movilogo

They were also scared of Farage's lie that Turkey were going to join

Not a lie - Turkey was a candidate. After 2016 the tide has turned though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

Some in my family are against EU ex-cons coming here and as we know some do go on to commit crimes e.g. murder in Britain.

Some UK ex cons go to the EU and commit crimes there, so it's a zero sum game.

I'm sure you'll be glad with Gary Glitter and Rolf Harris stuck in the UK.

Once you know you're safe from those horrible EU criminals, you'll be much easier pray for good old British criminals as you'll be less vigilant.

I'm not sure people who want to come to the UK to commit murder would be particularly put off by brexit, they are already prepared to a commit crime that could see them spending the rest of their lives in prison. Being put on a boat and then having to sneak back in would seem to be the least of their worries.

Takedap

lisyloo wrote: »

Seems strange to be against the uncontrolled immigration, uncontrolled in terms of not just numbers but also criminal record etc. But be against those who are tightly controlled and have to prove they won’t leach on society etc.

Seems the wrong way round.

It's only uncontrolled because the UK Government has decided not to control it. The mechanisms are in place to deport anyone who hasn't found a job within 3 months. We just don't even try to enforce it.

movilogo

The mechanisms are in place to deport anyone who hasn't found a job within 3 months.

The UK govt decided not to act on this and it compounded the problem which resulted in Brexit.

Our parliament is useless. Brexit is a fiasco because of UK parliament and not because of EU.

phillw

movilogo wrote: »

The UK govt decided not to act on this and it compounded the problem which resulted in Brexit.

AFAICT they didn't bother because people weren't coming from the EU and not getting a job.

Some people are upset that educated EU citizens are prepared to come to the UK and work hard, because it makes them feel lazy.

It's been said 'It's better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be wrongly convicted', but when it comes to immigrants the xenophobic reaction is it's better they are all kept away in case one guilty man comes here. I wonder how long before we start seeing "how xenophobic are you?" quizzes on facebook. It seems there are plenty of people in the UK who are unaware of the answer.

Herzlos

lisyloo wrote: »

Some in my family are against EU ex-cons coming here and as we know some do go on to commit crimes e.g. murder in Britain.

How often to EU ex-cons come here and murder native Brits? I honestly can't think of any off the top of my head. I had thought the Lee Rigby killer but despite a foreign name he was born in London.