Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BobQ

gfplux wrote: »

So for you it is the political relationship document that you find makes the whole deal unexeptable.

I have no problems with the aspirations stated in the political declaration. Were this implemented I would be content that it is least worse Brexit option. My objection is that it not agreed, it is aspirational, so can be changed.

May will go when this gets through Parliament, The rules for the election of Tory leader mean that about 150,000 members will elect a leader who is not as pragmatic as May and will take a more hardline approach and will not agree with this aspirational document.

I am an ardent remainer but having spent 33 months saying that the uncertainty is the most damaging part of the Brexit referendum result I am keen to bring this to an end to stop the continuing damage that uncertainty is doing to Britain and the EU27.

I agree it needs to end. Just not sure how it will happen if the agreement cannot be made Boris-proof.

I can see why the EU is bemused by our behavior and our lack of clarity on what we want. What they have perhaps misunderstood is that blindly sticking to TFEU and not getting on with a trade deal before the exit is agreed is not helping the UK reach agreement.

DonJo_King

BobQ wrote: »

I can see why the EU is bemused by our behavior and our lack of clarity on what we want. What they have perhaps misunderstood is that blindly sticking to TFEU and not getting on with a trade deal before the exit is agreed is not helping the UK reach agreement.

Stop with the "our" please because as both sides of the Brexit debate are all too keen to point out, both the government and our MP's (you know, the ones whose behavior and lack of clarity you comment upon) are not acting for us.
Us being the British people, regardless of stance.
The House of Commons hasn't been able to provide any further clarity than the government.
Let's all of us hope that changes soon.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

So why haven't we left then?

I think the rather cynical calculation among most MP’s is that the parliamentary impasse we are currently witnessing might eventually mean a reversal of Brexit. Both main parties are scared witless about the possible ramifications of denying Brexit, if they could get away with it they’d cancel Brexit in a heartbeat.

movilogo

Both Labour and Tories want to reverse Brexit now. Their only fear is losing seats to Brexit party in next election.

I am enjoying the uncertainty though. House price down, EU migrant number is down, job market is good, economy doing fine, sky did not fall over our head.

Businesses are adjusting to Brexit. In this manner, soon No Deal would not be a major problem.

I note that current parliament rejected No Deal but next parliament can accept it

phillw

movilogo wrote: »

Both Labour and Tories want to reverse Brexit now. Their only fear is losing seats to Brexit party in next election.

What do you mean "now"? What has changed? The majority of MPs on both sides have always wanted to reverse it. The conservatives have kept going because they want to keep the party together, because even though eurosceptics are in the minority they are still a sizeable chunk.

While Labour went into the previous election with a manifesto of Brexit In Name Only.

movilogo wrote: »

Businesses are adjusting to Brexit. In this manner, soon No Deal would not be a major problem.

I don't think you understand what businesses are doing or what no deal means. The only businesses making adjustments where no deal would not be a problem are those who have abandoned the UK already. If you're still in the UK then you're at risk.

Tromking wrote: »

I think the rather cynical calculation among most MP’s is that the parliamentary impasse we are currently witnessing might eventually mean a reversal of Brexit.

Well that is possible, but unlikely. I think we'll ultimately see Brexit In Name Only as that is what Labour MPs were elected on. Democracy is working well for once.

lisyloo

movilogo wrote: »

Both Labour and Tories want to reverse Brexit now. Their only fear is losing seats to Brexit party in next election.

I am enjoying the uncertainty though. House price down, EU migrant number is down, job market is good, economy doing fine, sky did not fall over our head.

Businesses are adjusting to Brexit. In this manner, soon No Deal would not be a major problem.

I note that current parliament rejected No Deal but next parliament can accept it

Net migration is still high.
Yes Eu is down and non-Eu is up but I don’t think people care too much about that distinction when they can’t get a gp appointment, can’t park or are Stuck in congestion.

Herzlos

lisyloo wrote: »

Net migration is still high.
Yes Eu is down and non-Eu is up but I don’t think people care too much about that distinction when they can’t get a gp appointment, can’t park or are Stuck in congestion.

Those all sound like infrastructure problems and not an immigration problem?

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

Those all sound like infrastructure problems and not an immigration problem?

Infrastructure problems sounds like something that could be our fault, so it's certainly not that. Must be the immigrants.

The non tax paying children, who arrive here without any kind of id via women's reproductive systems, are the next ones we should go after.

lisyloo

phillw wrote: »

Infrastructure problems sounds like something that could be our fault, so it's certainly not that. Must be the immigrants.

The non tax paying children, who arrive here without any kind of id via women's reproductive systems, are the next ones we should go after.

That’s exactly what happened very recently.
It was called windrush.

Strange how you said something awful in jest and turns out it’s true,

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

That’s exactly what happened very recently.
It was called windrush.

Strange how you said something awful in jest and turns out it’s true,

Windrush was only going after black children, all children turn up in this country without identity documents (they probably destroyed them just before arrival, they look shifty) and none of them pay tax or national insurance. Most of them operate without a bank account, so all of their income is cash in hand. A complete drain on the economy.

They manage to evade being sent back to where they came from long enough that they can claim indefinite leave to remain, but it's gone on too long and they must be stopped.