Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

I don't understand most of this ramble, perhaps you could make a coherent statement that we could asses and discuss.

Democracy, for the referendum, was those that voted to leave being greater than those that voted to stay. Try dressing it up and putting any number of differing perspectives upon it, a majority, however slim, is still a majority.

The referendum was highly flawed. We were lied to and made false promises. We now know much more what Brexit means, especially for Ireland so we need to think again. Thinking again is the sensible, rational thing to do. People have a right to change their minds and no amount of repeating the 'betrayal of democracy' mantra.....as you do day after day after day, will alter that.

https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

:rotfl:

BikingBud

Moby wrote: »

The referendum was highly flawed. We were lied to and made false promises. We now know much more what Brexit means, especially for Ireland so we need to think again. Thinking again is the sensible, rational thing to do. People have a right to change their minds and no amount of repeating the 'betrayal of democracy' mantra.....as you do day after day after day, will alter that.

https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

:rotfl:

So Moby what does "Fully In" mean to you?

buglawton

Moby wrote: »

The referendum was highly flawed. We were lied to and made false promises. We now know much more what Brexit means, especially for Ireland so we need to think again. Thinking again is the sensible, rational thing to do. People have a right to change their minds and no amount of repeating the 'betrayal of democracy' mantra.....as you do day after day after day, will alter that.

https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

:rotfl:

I think what you mean is, Cameron overlooked the little detail that if we ever think of leaving the customs union, the EU would play hardball over Ireland. Which indeed it did by threatening a physical border post infrastructure that'll divide NI from Eire.

So, Cameron should not have called the referendum at all because leaving was and always has been (politically) unfeasible.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

There have been 153 referenda in Switzerland this century and 152 of them were fine. I agree. We should be more like Switzerland.

We've both had 1 referendum based on misinformation, so I'm not sure what your point is?

Lornapink

You know how Remainers claim 'tax harmonisation' is just a Leavers scare story.....
Does it hurt to keep being proved wrong over and over again?


EU announces plan to scrap member state veto on tax policy
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-tax-policy-veto-scrap-european-commission-brexit-ireland-a8729396.html

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

We were lied to and made false promises. We now know much more what Brexit means, especially for Ireland so we need to think again.

Remainers - 'Ireland border in insoluble'


Remainers - 'no matter how challenging it is to reverse climate change, we must do it, lets find a way'


Remainers - 'I like the EU's new policy to track and speed-limit hundreds of millions of cars no matter where they are' (yet they claim we cant solve a little border issue in one relatively small area)

Thrugelmir

Lornapink wrote: »

You know how Remainers claim 'tax harmonisation' is just a Leavers scare story.....
Does it hurt to keep being proved wrong over and over again?


EU announces plan to scrap member state veto on tax policy
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-tax-policy-veto-scrap-european-commission-brexit-ireland-a8729396.html

Has been on the agenda for some considerable time. Seems a reasonable proposal if the EU is to function on a level playing field. Countries such as Eire and Luxembourg do unfairly benefit.

melanzana

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Has been on the agenda for some considerable time. Seems a reasonable proposal if the EU is to function on a level playing field. Countries such as Eire and Luxembourg do unfairly benefit.

What is to stop UK from lowering their Corporation Tax? Would be better than moaning about proactive countries who have lowered it surely.

BobQ

ben501 wrote: »

You didn't bother reading the leaflet issued by the government then?

Actually I did read it and the Leave leaftlet. I also read the Act of Parliament that set up the referendum which (contadictorily) said it was an advisory vote.

My point was that had Cameron done something that was different to what he said I would not have been pleased. I did not say I did not know what he had said.

It's not up to the Leave community to agree anything. That job was handed to parliament as soon as the results were known.

True and they clearly cannot decide.

Why do you think another public vote is sensible? What's the point? There would only be calls to ignore it/have another.

Apart from the fact that they cannot decide? The difference would be that we would be voting on what leave means not on the principle of leaving.

Sorry, but if you think ignoring the referendum result will unite the nation, you really must have a few screws loose.

Well abuse is typical of many in the leave community. How do you think we can bring the nation together?

Please can I have some examples of where other binding (which is what we were told this would be) votes have been ignored or overturned?

WE have traditionally not had referendums. In modern times they have always been advisory. Can you name one?

In addition the man who promised that it would be implemented is no longer there and the Government that promised it is no longer in power. We have a minority Government hell bent on doing the best for its party and not the best for the nation. A party that professes to uphold the unity of the United Kingdom that is preparing to cause NI and Scotland to leave the Union. Politicians are mostly hypocrites - what matters is whether the actual decision we make is best for the country

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

What is to stop UK from lowering their Corporation Tax? Would be better than moaning about proactive countries who have lowered it surely.

The countries I mentioned operate within the fiscal framework of the Eurozone and therefore the ECB.