Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

I don't think anyone really wants a second referendum, half the country want to leave and the other half wants brexit cancelled. As both sides hate the idea of a second referendum equally then it would be a reasonable compromise.

No.

More than half of those that voted want to leave.

Less than half of those that voted want to stay.

You try to simplify but only mislead and misinform.

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

No.

More than half of those that voted want to leave.

Less than half of those that voted want to stay.

Sigh, I wasn't talking about the referendum. Slight variances of 2% either way are irrelevant, your hatred is making you fixate on that.

Half the country want one thing, half the country want another. Whatever the outcome of this HAS to cater for both groups of people. Some of which didn't or were unable to vote in the referendum.

Maybe when you are able to rationally think about this then your way of thinking will change.

Enterprise_1701C

There is no excuse for not voting.

The poll day was given a long way ahead of time.

Postal votes were available for those that wanted them.

If you want something badly enough you vote for it.

You say leavers are fixating on the massive margin of more than the population of more than the population of Birmingham? It is you that is trying to make it an excuse for getting your way.

Maybe you will change your way of thinking when somewhere like Italy goes down and wrecks the rest of the eu.

kabayiri

Maybe people should be asked a different question next time.

EU : fully IN or fully OUT?

I don't see how a quasi-committed member like the UK is becoming helps the EU.

They have big enough challenges to address, as it is.

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You say leavers are fixating on the massive margin of more than the population of more than the population of Birmingham? It is you that is trying to make it an excuse for getting your way.

It's a tiny margin, 1.9% of people who voters. Which is less than the number of EU citizens that will be registering to vote.

Trying to make a big deal out of it is just going to make it drag on forever.

lisyloo

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

There is no excuse for not voting.

The poll day was given a long way ahead of time.

Postal votes were available for those that wanted them.

If you want something badly enough you vote for it.

I agree.
My mum was in intensive care at the time but still voted, so who has a better excuse than that? (By postal vote)

The only group who have a valid complaint are those who weren’t old enough at the time.

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

The only group who have a valid complaint are those who weren’t old enough at the time.

EU citizens living and paying taxes in the UK?

Ex pats living in the EU who spent their working lives paying taxes in the UK but were time barred to vote and may be forced to return to the UK for economic reasons.

There were also a lot of people who saw the compelling lies told by the leave campaign but trusted their guts that they were just being lied to and didn't know who to trust.

Crashy_Time

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

There is no excuse for not voting.

The poll day was given a long way ahead of time.

Postal votes were available for those that wanted them.

If you want something badly enough you vote for it.

You say leavers are fixating on the massive margin of more than the population of more than the population of Birmingham? It is you that is trying to make it an excuse for getting your way.

Maybe you will change your way of thinking when somewhere like Italy goes down and wrecks the rest of the eu.

The EU actually going down will be the only thing that wakes many remainers up IMO. Would be funny if there was a second ref. (not going to happen though) Remain won, then the EU went down? Best to get out clean now IMO.

lisyloo

phillw wrote: »

EU citizens living and paying taxes in the UK?

Ex pats living in the EU who spent their working lives paying taxes in the UK but were time barred to vote and may be forced to return to the UK for economic reasons.

There were also a lot of people who saw the compelling lies told by the leave campaign but trusted their guts that they were just being lied to and didn't know who to trust.

Not IMO - they made a conscious choice
Not IMO - they made a conscious choice
Not IMO - yes many of us were unsure, but we didn’t shirk our responsibilities when between a rock and hard place. Just shrugging shoulders and not voting means you lose the right to complain about what you get IMO.

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

Sigh, I wasn't talking about the referendum. Slight variances of 2% either way are irrelevant, your hatred is making you fixate on that.

Half the country want one thing, half the country want another. Whatever the outcome of this HAS to cater for both groups of people. Some of which didn't or were unable to vote in the referendum.

Maybe when you are able to rationally think about this then your way of thinking will change.

Slight differences are not irrelevant, those differences are what define the democracy. If it was 0.2% i would be a little more inclined to say it needed a closer look but never irrelevant.

You may remember I commented upon the Newport Bye Election https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=75672782&postcount=2507 but you started making false assertions then as well.

There is no hate in my posts, I just want objective and correct discussion.

You flame and generalise. Yet you claim this is the sole role of those that wish Parliament to deliver what was requested by the Country and that they agreed to.

Is it wrong to expect upon our elected politicians to deliver against their own pre-election promises just because the minority of the country are scared of the potential outcome?