Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

Hasn't May ruled out a no deal again? Not that Mays statements mean anything anymore. Corbyn will refuse to talk to May unless no deal is gone. No-one beyond a vocal minority of frothers want it.

Herzlos

AG47 wrote: »

This is what the EU want. They want all options to fall away one by one, and they won't agree another extension.

Default no deal brexit come April 12.

They want chaos for the uk leaving the EU, otherwise every other member will want to leave.

It's going to be very bad for the uk for the fore sable future. Huge house price crash, a flood of repossessions, huge inflation and less disposable income.

And on top of everything..........Brits are going to have to start doing all, the hard jobs that they used to pay min wage to foreigners, as all the foriegners are going to go home. There is no point earring pounds sterling and sending it home as the pound is going to fall a long way from now on for the foreseeable future.

The EU don't want this and don't want us to leave but their priority is the other 27 countries.
As such, they want us to figure out what we're doing and for the uncertainty to end.
They are fed up with our games and likely to just leave us to it at this point and I honestly don't blame them.

ukcarper

Now is the time to get a real compromise somewhere between BINO and no deal but I'm not convinced they will agree one. If they don't we could easily leave on no deal no matter what Parlement wants as the final say is with EU unless we revoke article 50.

AG47

ukcarper wrote: »

Now is the time to get a real compromise somewhere between BINO and no deal but I'm not convinced they will agree one. If they don't we could easily leave on no deal no matter what Parlement wants as the final say is with EU unless we revoke article 50.

It's not what anybody wants, but it's the default if there I no agreement.

I'm sorry to say, but no agreement is what is happeneing

mayonnaise

AG47 wrote: »

It's not what anybody wants, but it's the default if there I no agreement.

I'm sorry to say, but no agreement is what is happeneing

It was the default on 29/3 also and look what happened.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but once again, this will not be the trigger for that house price crash you've been yearning for since time began. Neither will it be the trigger for that shiny metal you bought on bullionbypost.com to massively increase in value.

The brexit secretary is coming to his senses, I noticed.

Stephen_Barclay wrote:

'remorseless logic' of Commons numbers is pushing UK towards softer Brexit

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Now is the time to get a real compromise somewhere between BINO and no deal but I'm not convinced they will agree one. If they don't we could easily leave on no deal no matter what Parlement wants as the final say is with EU unless we revoke article 50.

Neither do I. Parliament can't agree on anything and EU has no reason to budge from what was already agreed. We're realistically looking at either no deal or no brexit and then trying to figure out a deal.

movilogo

The choice is now between a sensible, compromise, middle ground Brexit, which is the only type of Brexit

The problem with middle ground Brexit is it is same as Remaining in EU.

Any middle ground involving CU/SM likely to include FOM which is one major force causing Brexit.

If you ask me one single parameter which defines IN/OUT of EU, it is FOM.

If FOM continues we are in EU. If FOM stops, we are out of EU.

It is the elephant in the room.

Herzlos

Norway is not in the EU and has FoM. Farage who wants to leave the EU suggested Norway.


Turkey has a CU but no FoM and isn't in the EU.


The problem is that we need FoM (for the NI border, and to fill jobs) despite telling everyone their lives would be better if we ended it

Malthusian

Herzlos wrote: »

No-one beyond a vocal minority of frothers want it.

As AG says, the EU want no deal because they need the UK's head on a spike, and the majority of MPs want no deal because their best strategy for remaining in the EU is now 1) UK exits with no deal 2) UK undergoes painful recession, inflation and mass unemployment 3) contrite voters allow the UK to go crawling back into the EU, and MPs' and apparatchiks' access to the gravy train is restored.

That is why we are heading towards no deal. What MPs tell the public or themselves is irrelevant, actions are what count.

A second referendum resulting in a Remain vote is not going to happen. If that was a viable strategy Remain would already have held one.

Herzlos

I agree that the best way to further EU integration (the so called 'hard remain') is in face to leave with a no-deal.


I disagree that the EU wants to punish the UK or make an example of us. They want us to stay, but if we continue mucking them about and destabilizing the rest of the EU they are happy to cut us loose since their only interest is in the well being of the 27 nations that want to remain.


Any punishment the UK is suffering is entirely self inflicted, the EU doesn't need to do anything beyond give us what we've asked for.