Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

kabayiri

After the initial jolt we will have a great opportunity to re-evaluate our priorities. Already, the government has a several billion pound fund to support the regions. The rebalancing of the economy is just the start.

Throwing out the deadweight politicians will be next.

wunferall

kabayiri wrote: »

After the initial jolt we will have a great opportunity to re-evaluate our priorities. Already, the government has a several billion pound fund to support the regions. The rebalancing of the economy is just the start.

Throwing out the deadweight politicians will be next.

The next GE is going to be very interesting.
There will be a price to pay for the appalling performance of MP's from all the parties; how much of a backlash there is depends upon their actions regarding Brexit over the coming weeks but already there have been calls for MP's to be deselected because of their going against the wishes of constituents.
That doesn't bode well for their future.
Think Nick Boles and Sir Alan Duncan for starters.

wunferall

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Same position as when Cameron returned with his tail between his legs. The EU has no wish to offer the UK anything. We either accept the project as it is and join the club, or we leave. There's no special friendship.

Quite so and it really does look more and more that the EU would rather shoot themselves not just in one foot but in both feet purely in their delusional attempt to prove that leaving their beloved union is a bad thing for the leaver.
Put aside for a moment the impact to some EU members of Brexit; what happens to their attempt at coercing other union members to stay when the country that has left forges ahead and prospers?
Especially whilst the union remains mired in controversies and continues to stagnate?
The forthcoming elections for MEP's will only serve to mark the start of a whole new era of difficulties for the EU.
We really are better off out.

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

The next GE is going to be very interesting.
There will be a price to pay for the appalling performance of MP's from all the parties; how much of a backlash there is depends upon their actions regarding Brexit over the coming weeks but already there have been calls for MP's to be deselected because of their going against the wishes of constituents.
That doesn't bode well for their future.
Think Nick Boles and Sir Alan Duncan for starters.

Perhaps the price to pay will be a lower turnout than normal.

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

Quite so and it really does look more and more that the EU would rather shoot themselves not just in one foot but in both feet purely in their delusional attempt to prove that leaving their beloved union is a bad thing for the leaver.
Put aside for a moment the impact to some EU members of Brexit; what happens to their attempt at coercing other union members to stay when the country that has left forges ahead and prospers?
Especially whilst the union remains mired in controversies and continues to stagnate?
The forthcoming elections for MEP's will only serve to mark the start of a whole new era of difficulties for the EU.
We really are better off out.

As I understand it without the backstop the deal would pass in Parliament.
So this is nothing to do with the rest of the agreement or shooting at feet.

ben501

wunferall wrote: »

The next GE is going to be very interesting.
There will be a price to pay for the appalling performance of MP's from all the parties; how much of a backlash there is depends upon their actions regarding Brexit over the coming weeks but already there have been calls for MP's to be deselected because of their going against the wishes of constituents.

I doubt it will have much effect. As gfplux suggests, lower turnout probably the main effect. Much though change could be welcome, I suspect most of those voting will still simply look for the word Conservative or Labour on the voting form, and tick the box next to it.

More interesting will be to see what all those saying 'I'm not voting for .... any more. They've gone too far to the left/right' will do.

ukcarper

ben501 wrote: »

I doubt it will have much effect. As gfplux suggests, lower turnout probably the main effect. Much though change could be welcome, I suspect most of those voting will still simply look for the word Conservative or Labour on the voting form, and tick the box next to it.

More interesting will be to see what all those saying 'I'm not voting for .... any more. They've gone too far to the left/right' will do.

I didn't vote well actually I spoilt my paper in Last GE and if things don't change I will probably do the same.

If we don't leave I also think that MPs in seats with large leave majorities who are implicated in that could well lose thier seat.

ben501

ukcarper wrote: »

If we don't leave I also think that MPs in seats with large leave majorities who are implicated in that could well lose thier seat.

I agree with that, but it's more a question of who will replace them. Would it just be someone else from the same party, would the main opposition for the constituency get in, or would UKIP get enough support to claim a seat?
I can't see there being enough swing voters for UKIP to get anywhere, but an increased chance of a hung parliament.

ukcarper

ben501 wrote: »

I agree with that, but it's more a question of who will replace them. Would it just be someone else from the same party, would the main opposition for the constituency get in, or would UKIP get enough support to claim a seat?
I can't see there being enough swing voters for UKIP to get anywhere, but an increased chance of a hung parliament.

I agree I can't see UKIP getting many MPs, it's difficult to tell what the overall effect is but suspect Labour would lose the most.

andrewf75

wunferall wrote: »

Quite so and it really does look more and more that the EU would rather shoot themselves not just in one foot but in both feet purely in their delusional attempt to prove that leaving their beloved union is a bad thing for the leaver.
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I always try and understand opposing views and respect many leave arguments, but this kind of thing just leaves me in utter disbelief.

How anyone can see it as the EU shooting themselves in the foot is just incredible.