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11 Indigo PCNs
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My thoughts: If I appeal to ITAL there is a potential risk of court which they might issue or not (we don’t know, it’s new, they seem to be very much linked to INDIGO rathet than independent judging from their website).
If I do nothing then they (INDIGO and triple Z) will send threatening letters. They might call in their sollicitor (I have seen from some post that they do this) to further intimidate. IF nobody i.e TOC, INDIGO, ZZZ, sollicitors can do anything to bring this to court, why would one do anything as opposed to take a risk going to the unknown with ITAL who might take action to go to court?
Why even wasting time appealing to PCNs initially to Indigo?0 -
No, compensation to the "victim" for breach of criminal law would have to represent actual loss or an estimate thereof, and since the OP paid for a parking ticket, there is no loss at all (if he/ she hadn't, he/ she might be liable for the (say) £8 cost of a parkingBut jkdd77, as well as your list of reasons why they may not be interested in court, perhaps we should note in those Maj cases that twhitehousescat cited, the term compensation was used.
In those court cases it looks like the 'compensation' might be the 'avoided' train fare.
In a parking context, could the court be persuaded that £100 (or whatever figure) was a suitable 'compensation' amount? I don't know.
ticket).
This is different from a ticketless travel case, where a TOC has "lost" the fare due for the journey actually made. Another key difference is that, in a ticketless travel case, the TOC knows the identity of the correct defendant (unless false details are given- not recommended), whereas here the PPC/ agent has no idea who was driving, unless the OP is foolish enough to tell them.0 -
These are civil cases, of no relevance whatsoever to a criminal prosecution. In practice, it is extremely unlikely that any prosecution will ever be brought.twhitehousescat wrote: »well magistrates are easily fooled , a quick quote of "bevis - PE " , stage 1 , 2 , 3 etc and the final would seem to set a president on the general term "parking"
I actually think that, in this case, based on the specific facts, ignoring could actually be the best option (but do not ignore any actual court papers, nor a valid letter before claim).0 -
the majority of people simply pay up when they get threatening letters , its the "british way"
i would suspect for every say 100 tickets issued maybe one person asks for advice and tells them that they are not willing to pay a bribe , on something that cannot be actioned0 -
we can argue all day long , appeal or not
do not appeal , sit out 6 mths
appeal , waste time and risk "possible" court action by the ital recovery team
its hard to decide0 -
You don't have to.My thoughts: If I appeal to ITAL there is a potential risk of court which they might issue or not (we don’t know, it’s new, they seem to be very much linked to INDIGO rather than independent judging from their website).
If I do nothing then they (INDIGO and triple Z) will send threatening letters. They might call in their solicitor (I have seen from some post that they do this) to further intimidate. IF nobody i.e TOC, INDIGO, ZZZ, solicitors can do anything to bring this to court, why would one do anything as opposed to take a risk going to the unknown with ITAL who might take action to go to court?
Why even wasting time appealing to PCNs initially to Indigo?
As already said, we offer the advice to try to win/kill off PCNs sooner, because most newbies just can't manage to sit on their hands & ignore it. they get twitchy!
If you can ignore it comfortably, I don't disagree with you because I could, too!
Just PROMISE us you won't give us chapter and verse about every tedious debt letter that arrives in the meantime (spare us!). And don't panic about the letter from 'Debt Recovery & Prosecution' (easily searched for or Googled).
PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD0 -
ITAL is meant to be independent. Why they would have a recovery team is beyond me, but then again many things are!
If I find a postal address for Indigo which I could not find so far, I will send nice letter as it took me some time to type/print out etc.
End of the journey after that from me. No appeal to anything/anyone else.
Why are there posts about some sollicitors sending letters before court claim again? Who would have initiated that if NOBODY can do anything?0 -
No, compensation to the "victim" for breach of criminal law would have to represent actual loss or an estimate thereof, and since the OP paid for a parking ticket, there is no loss at all (if he/ she hadn't, he/ she might be liable for the (say) £8 cost of a parking
ticket).
This is different from a ticketless travel case, where a TOC has "lost" the fare due for the journey actually made. Another key difference is that, in a ticketless travel case, the TOC knows the identity of the correct defendant (unless false details are given- not recommended), whereas here the PPC/ agent has no idea who was driving, unless the OP is foolish enough to tell them.
have you looked at the appeal form , you cannot continue until you say I AM THE OWNER , or I AM APPEALING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER , there is NO , I am keeper , Ie I lent my car etc
the cheaky !!!!!!s expect you to give full details inc DOB (WHY???) and if you say you are appealing on behalf of owner , your full details inc DOB , AND the owners full name and DOB , and get them to sign that they ARE the owner
why should an appeal service want DOB etc ,
https://www.asparking.co.uk/NewAppeal/ChooseMethod/IN
this information is being given to as-parking who are ital debt recovery https://www.ital-uk.com/enforcement-solutions/0 -
ITAL is meant to be independent. Why they would have a recovery team is beyond me, but then again many things are!
If I find a postal address for Indigo which I could not find so far, I will send nice letter as it took me some time to type/print out etc.
End of the journey after that from me. No appeal to anything/anyone else.
Why are there posts about some sollicitors sending letters before court claim again? Who would have initiated that if NOBODY can do anything?
no , ital group are a company set up to do debt collection , mainly fares etc and are paid by the majority of train cos
the ital group have sprouted out (very good timing!) to offer a penalty charge/car parking appeal service , at present only one company use them - indigo0
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