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Is a small indent on the over considered excessive to fair wear and tear?

I have recently moved out of a rental property. The checkout report shows a small indent on the inside of the oven. Even though this is just an indent, the report says "indent and chip". How can you get a chip on the inside metal frame of an oven!!

My landlord wants me to either repair it or have it replaced. Am I right to reject his claim as a small indent can be considered fair wear and tear?
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  • bris
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    I wold just fight it and aske them to prove it wasn't there in the first place. I doubt they have pictures of the inside of the oven.


    Generally fair wear and tear is through normal use, a dent is more physical damage than wear and tear but this wouldn't affect the use of the oven.
  • AdrianC
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    sam.ssrs wrote: »
    How can you get a chip on the inside metal frame of an oven!!
    Is the frame stove-enamelled? Or just bare stainless?

    Am I right to reject his claim as a small indent can be considered fair wear and tear?
    It can't. How on earth do you put a dent in the inside of the oven...?
  • sal_III
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    A dent is not a normal wear and tear, it's damage, even if it's accidental. If it was there at the start of the tenancy and was not picked up in the checkout inventory you should have reported it. If you know that you caused it, why are you looking to shrug off responsibility for your actions?

    Some ovens have an enamel coating that can chip away, I can only assume this is one of these and the impact that caused the indent could have chipped away portion of the enamel coating.

    Your LL can ask you to pay for the repair of the damage or a replacement oven of similar make/age. He can't ask you to pay for a new oven.
  • AdrianC
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    If it's an oven with a pyrolytic "self-cleaning" coating, then a chip out of that will mean that bit won't "self-clean" any more.
  • sam.ssrs
    sam.ssrs Posts: 41 Forumite
    sal_III wrote: »
    A dent is not a normal wear and tear, it's damage, even if it's accidental. If it was there at the start of the tenancy and was not picked up in the checkout inventory you should have reported it. If you know that you caused it, why are you looking to shrug off responsibility for your actions?

    Some ovens have an enamel coating that can chip away, I can only assume this is one of these and the impact that caused the indent could have chipped away portion of the enamel coating.

    Your LL can ask you to pay for the repair of the damage or a replacement oven of similar make/age. He can't ask you to pay for a new oven.

    No, I am not trying to shrug off reponsibility. The point I am making is, what looks like a simp[le indent from the photograph is recorded as a chip by the inventory clerk. So assuming I am right and it is just an indent, is it fair wear and tear is the question.
  • AdrianC
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    No, a dent in the oven interior is not fair wear and tear...

    How on earth did you do it?
  • sal_III
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    sam.ssrs wrote: »
    No, I am not trying to shrug off reponsibility. The point I am making is, what looks like a simp[le indent from the photograph is recorded as a chip by the inventory clerk. So assuming I am right and it is just an indent, is it fair wear and tear is the question.
    But you are trying to present an indentation as fair wear an tear to avoid paying for it. Can you explain how an indentation can occur during the normal operation of the oven?

    Even if there is no chip, but only indentation it's still a damage, not wear and tear. If there is a material difference between just and indentation and indentation + a chip in terms of cost to repair/replace you can question the chip as it's not visible on the checkout photo.
  • davidmcn
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    All this talk of oven chips is making me hungry.
  • pimento
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    bris wrote: »
    I wold just fight it and aske them to prove it wasn't there in the first place. I doubt they have pictures of the inside of the oven.


    Seems they did/do.
    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." -- Red Adair
  • sam.ssrs
    sam.ssrs Posts: 41 Forumite
    pimento wrote: »
    Seems they did/do.
    No, they don't have pictures from the check-in report. Just a statement saying the oven was in good condition.
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