The Prepping Thread - A Newer Beginning ;)

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Goldiegirl wrote: »

I think May's deal was the best anyone could have got.

Giving the EU a veto over us leaving, is the best deal anyone could have got :huh:

That deal locks us into the EU forever, and is in breach of the UK Constitution.

(or even not triggering it at all)

You're saying she should have simply ignored the result of the referendum?

Are we living in Britain, or Iraq under Saddam Hussain?

or withdrawn altogether (we can do this unilaterally).

Theresa May can't just revoke it, if and when she feels like it.

The Advocate General proposes that the Court of Justice should, in its future judgement, declare that Article 50 allows the unilateral revocation of the notification of the intention to withdraw from the EU, until such time as the withdrawal agreement is formally concluded, provided that the revocation has been decided upon in accordance with the Member State’s constitutional requirements.

Living_proof

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

Theresa May can't just revoke it, if and when she feels like it.

Maybe she could have the Speaker round for a few drinks....

Seriously BB, what do you suggest? The whole issue is like a bad dream when you are in a maze and simply can't find a way out.

PipneyJane

DigForVictory wrote: »

Jojo, I'd be putting my tweezers in a heavy crate & contemplating a few hours rhythmical tapping the hide of the bodhran. Having plugged the penny whistle &/or hidden it alongside the tweezers. The only light seems to be that at least you had a working cooker.

You may recall me snuffling unwillingly to a team meeting clutching Seasonal Edition "Nescafe Gold Caramelised Almond & Vanilla Latte Sachets" & other glossy exotics? Asda have them, along with a fleet of other (mostly diet wrecking but some skinny & some decaff) editions all back at £1.25, so I have acquizzed a few.
Not least since the chap I'll be away training with up in Glasgow has a massive weakness for them & this way, we will be happy trainers almost regardless of the trainees.

I have found a thought-to-be Radox freebie wash bag in a charity shop & will be taking a swimsuit with me, since the hotel I'll be in has a sauna! Bring on the weather says I, planning to broil self gleefully.

I love Glasgow! I used to go up there for work on a regular basis and have very fond memories of my colleagues and my visits. I won't ask you where you're staying but my favourite hotel is the Indigo, where I was usually the only user of the gym at 6am. (Clean. Good food. Kind staff. Comfy beds. Excellent coffee. And, as well as soap, body wash and body lotion, they automatically provide hair conditioner.)

I've also been sunburnt there in May - on a day when the weather was considerably better than London's - and I'm an olive skinned Aussie who rarely changes colour in this country.

If you are anywhere near Hope Street and like a glass of whisky, I can thoroughly recommend the Pot Still.

- Pip

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Someone (apologies, I can't remember who) asked a while back, about powerbanks, so their daughter could keep her phone working, in case of an emergency.

I think I may have found the ideal thing.

A combined LED torch and Powerbank.

Not huge capacity (2000mAh) but enough to keep the torch/phone going for a while.

From Home Bargains, for £5-49.

Dimensions:-

Length - 4-1/2" (116mm)
Diameter - 1/2" (12mm)
Weight - 3.4oz (96g)

Also, this time at Poundstretcher, treat&ease hand warmers. Pack of three for 69p.

Each warmer is 5"x3-1/4"x1/4", and weighs just 0.8oz, so ideal for keeping in pocket/handbag/daysack etc.

[Deleted User]

Living_proof wrote: »

Seriously BB, what do you suggest?

She could start by respecting the will of the people, instead of acting as a 5th columnist.

Chamberlain got a better deal (I call the NI Backstop the Hotel California clause), when he came back from Munich, in 1938.

Oh and BTW, we haven't been in the Common Market since 1993.

PipneyJane

Goldiegirl wrote: »

As opinions regarding Brexit have been invited, I will give my opinion.

The Common Market is a rules based organisation - and the UK helped draw up those rules, it shouldn't come as any surprise to us that the EU would expect us to adhere to the rules when leaving.

I don't think it would have done any good to have gone into the negotiations with a demanding, threatening and 'do you know who we are attitude', as that would have got the EU27's backs up. The EU27 are our friends and allies - not our enemies.

Having said that, I think May's deal was the best anyone could have got. The exit as spun by the Leave campaigns was never going to be achievable, and May should have done much more due diligence before triggering Article 50 (or even not triggering it at all)

Even though May's deal is the best anyone could have got under the circumstances, it is still a very bad deal.

It will almost certainly be voted down next week.

If May hadn't attempted to kick the can down the road by withdrawing the scheduled vote, she would have had to make a statement by 21st January. so the 'Grieve Amendment' this week means we are now back on track for a statement on 21st January.

I firmly believe that a 'no deal' Brexit would be hugely damaging, if not catastrophic for the country. Parliament are giving every indication that they will not allow this to happen.

I suspect that Article 50 will either be extended (with EU permission) or withdrawn altogether (we can do this unilaterally).

Then there'll be a vote of some sort, whether a second referendum or a general election, with the ultimate outcome that we don't leave at all.

I think the EU would welcome us to stay, and would try to put this sorry situation behind them.

For us, the general population, there's likely to be several more months of uncertainty, and the rift that the referendum has caused
will take many years to heal.

Hear! Hear!

My own vote is to go for the Norway Solution. I truly believe we need to be inside the Customs Union +/- retaining the ability to negotiate our own trade deals outside the EU. We do 60% of our trade with the EU and need them a lot more than they need us.

As things stand at the moment, the best outcome we can hope for now is a suspension of Article 50 for a year (or two) while negotiations continue, in order to get us a better deal. However, my crystal ball is indicating that the political bun-fighting at Westminster will continue until it is too late and we'll fall out of the EU without any deal. Economically, if we aren't already in recession, we will be if that happens. While, grocery-wise, it'll be 1939/1940 all over again, with shortages and prices doubling, since we buy so much of our food from Europe.

Regarding the actions of the Speaker... This is the first time to my knowledge that he has ever shown any backbone. He is an opportunist, which makes me wonder what is in it for him. (I knew him personally in the 1990's. His modus operandi was always to knife his own side for personal gain.)

- Pip

mardatha

For the love of god, please give us a bloody break from politics in OS :eek:
I'm sick of listening to it on tv/on radio/in forums/on FB! yadda yadda yadda... on and on ad nauseum.
The whole nature of Prepping/Preppers is that we don't sit around arguing it - we get moving and prepare for it!!

Goldiegirl

Giving the EU a veto over us leaving, is the best deal anyone could have got

That deal locks us into the EU forever, and is in breach of the UK Constitution.

Yes, it's a hideous deal, and will be quite rightly voted down. However, after two years of negotiations, and endless wrangling about the backstop, if it was so easy to achieve anything better, it would have happened months ago.

You're saying she should have simply ignored the result of the referendum?

Are we living in Britain, or Iraq under Saddam Hussain?

No I'm not saying that at all.

It was only ever an advisory referendum. She shouldn't have just mindlessly triggered Article 50 with no plan. She should have got the proper research done to ascertain what would happen if we attempted to leave the EU, and come up with a proper plan. Only then, should she have considered triggering Article 50 - or if after all that, it was apparent that Brexit was going to be the train wreck we are experiencing she should have stood up and explained why she wasn't able to act on the advice she received in the referendum.

After all, if people advised you to drive over a cliff, wouldn't you do your research into the effects of driving over the cliff, and if the effects were to cause you severe harm, you wouldn't just heedlessly drive off the cliff, would you? You wouldn't drive over solely because it was Willo The People?

Your quote confirmed what I said - Unilateral withdrawal of Article 50 is permitted.

Goldiegirl

mardatha wrote: »

For the love of god, please give us a bloody break from politics in OS :eek:
I'm sick of listening to it on tv/on radio/in forums/on FB! yadda yadda yadda... on and on ad nauseum.
The whole nature of Prepping/Preppers is that we don't sit around arguing it - we get moving and prepare for it!!

Opinions were requested, so I gave my opinion. I was surprised when it was brought up, as I had been lead to believe that politics weren't particularly welcome in the OS area of the board.

However, I don't intend to bang on about it any more - but if people address the points I have made, I will respond to them

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My fault Mar for having thought that politics were on the Prepping for Brexit thread and that's why I asked my question here. Sorry folks I should have known better!

We did a top up stock cupboard shop the other day and I couldn't find leaf tea at Morrisons, just the gap where it ought to be but I found 250g leaf tea at the Co-Op today for £1.49 which is a pretty good price so I'll be picking up an extra one each week as it keeps pretty much indefinitely. I suspect we'll be seeing gaps on shelves in the shops more and more often in these next few weeks so I'm going to put as much as I can spare into stores that will keep and future proof us a bit.