The Prepping Thread - A Newer Beginning ;)

pineapple

Re a cashless society, I'm seeing an upside in that there seems to be a bit of a barter culture going on round me. People are getting to know each other's skills and swapping favours. Well it's a start.... Not very good for HM Revenue though! It would be nice if we could find a new and better way of doing things after all of this. Or maybe we'll just lapse into same old same old...

daz378

Yea i remember a piece by granada reports  news a year or so ago about a local voucher scheme   think it was the lake district....to promote local trade...you could trade sterling for the local currency....and the lets  scheme...wonder if this  crisis will provide the impetus

boultdj

dandy-candy said:

A neighbour over the back and a few doors down started playing blaring music in the back garden and yelling “yeah! Whoop!” What makes people think their neighbours want to listen to their music. We were in the garden trying to do some peaceful gardening. My immediate neighbour had a stroke last week and has been sent home slowly deteriorating. I was so angry i went into the front garden to distance myself from the noise. After about 15 mins it stopped and they seem to have gone inside so perhaps someone told them to shut up. I could see things getting really nasty if selfish neighbours keep doing stuff like this. Tensions are really high when we are all locked down in our homes.

It could be like the idea that was posted on the village page where I live, go out into your garden at 11am, put your music on and dance like a loon and film yourself and share to make people smile. An no I did not join in, my dancing is not a nice sight....

markin

I was asked why i need so much chicken in the freezer 'they will still be making chicken'...  days later Ireland factory walked out, and im sure many others are having problems in the uk/EU/world.  

Eggs rotting in uk store houses as 1 of only 3 in Europe carton factories shuts down for 2 weeks.

States Ban Sales of Seeds - Meat Packers Closed - Food Shutdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2nUB_TFL0U

MingVase

Markin can you provide a link for that re egg cartons?

markin

Its quoted as being from bbc farming today (radio)  I don't see any other news pages talking about it,  8.25 in the video i posted.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qj8q

EDIT:

Hidden from google and even duck duck go!

https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2020/03/26/liebigs-law-writ-large/

Small snippit.

"New deliveries of eggs to British supermarkets are being snapped up as quickly as the shelf stackers can get them onto the shelves.  At the same time, tons of eggs are going off in warehouses which currently hold massive stocks of food.  The unexpected reason for this situation, we learn from the BBC’s Farming Today programme on Wednesday, is that the UK is currently in the grip of an unanticipated egg carton shortage.  The entire of Europe is supplied by just three egg carton manufacturers.  None is based in Britain; and the nearest one – in Denmark – is closed for the next fortnight.  And so we have warehouses full of eggs and queues of shoppers asking for eggs, but no means of connecting the two.

The problem stems from something that has plagued the UK government from the very start of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic – a combination of a weak state and blind faith in the power of the private sector to respond to crises.  When the original British pandemic plan (allowing the population to be infected in order to develop “herd immunity”) collapsed at the end of February (after models showed that it would result in critical infrastructure being overwhelmed) the UK government attempted to do in weeks what should have been done in months.  Responding to public pressure, government was led inexorably down the road to the current lock-down of all but essential activity; including the closure of all non-food retail, restaurants, hotels and schools.  That this was unplanned is born out in the current confusion about who is and who is not a “key worker,” with the result that public transport was jam packed with commuters on Monday morning despite government orders to stay at home. ... ..... ...."

"....Half of the food eaten in Britain in the years before the current SARS-CoV-2 World Tour was consumed outside the home.  In effect, we had two parallel food distribution chains – a wholesale chain for catering industries and a domestic chain for food sold directly to the public.  When the order was given to shut down the schools, restaurants and other wholesale consumers, there was no mechanism in place to divert food supplies from that chain into the domestic chain.  As a result, shortages which had already developed, as the public correctly anticipated the current lockdown, were exacerbated as the 50 percent who usually ate out took to the supermarkets in search of alternatives.  Meanwhile, wholesale food supplies are stuck in warehouses because the packaging used for bulk supply to caterers cannot be used by supermarkets.  An increase in supermarket packaging supplies would help… but, as Farming Today reported, the factory is closed for a fortnight. ......."

markin

How the UK’s just-in-time delivery model crumbled under coronavirus

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/stockpiling-supermarkets-coronavirus

"Stockpiling has upended supermarkets. But they’re already fighting back. A few weeks ago, many people were no longer able to get their hands on their choice of rigatoni, any kind of loo roll or a box of eggs. Aisles were bare and panic buying gripped the nation. Or so we thought.

The data shows something else was going on. Analysis by market insights firm Kantar found that a significant number of customers were just adding a few extra items to their shop had managed to break the typically well-oiled system. The impact from that very small increase in demand from every single shopper early on showed just how poorly prepared supermarkets were for what was about to come.

And you can hardly blame them. Supermarkets are used to planning months in advance for seasonal events like Christmas, when people buy more than they typically would at other times of the year. During this time, retailers start using all sorts of space in the stores, says Leigh Sparks, professor of retail studies at the University of Stirling. “You’ll see stock above shelves, you’ll see stock in the backroom, you’ll see trailers outside the store,” he explains. “None of that was prepared for this time because it came with an unexpected surge in demand.”... ... .... .... ..."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52020648

"... ... However, not all the extra buying in supermarkets is for stockpiling or panic buying - in London a quarter of all meals are normally eaten outside the home. Closing all cafes, bars and restaurants has had the obvious consequence of increasing demand for food from shops, and that will continue.

The UK is also vulnerable because it does not operate in a vacuum, it imports almost half of its food, and therefore the smooth working of other countries supply chains is vital to our own. ... ... ."

"... As borders across Europe have been sealed, exceptions have been made for the trade in goods. But the UK is dependent to a large degree on that continuing, and on Spanish farmers, French lorry drivers and Dutch dock workers turning up to work.

At the moment this system still seems to be working. Goods are still arriving from Italy for instance, even though the country is in a shutdown. But it would only take one country to start banning the export of food for the whole system to be at risk, as others retaliate to secure their own supplies.

If coronavirus has shown us anything, it is how complicated and delicate supply chains have become. After this crisis has passed, there is bound to be immense pressure on companies and governments to strengthen and simplify them."

jk0

I wonder if the reason there is no bread flour is because the company making the bags for it is locked down on the continent? I don't know what Churchill would have made of this.

MingVase

Thanks markin, that's very interesting indeed. So when countries run short of food because workers are off ill , then they will shut down exports. And the UK will left out in the cold with nobody doing us anyfavours because of the way we behaved over Brexit. Magic lol.

And it might be a good time to get chickens..

daz378

Partway through a 9....6   my client as gone for a walk hes non verbal  but quite capable....checking on him every 30 mins.....looking forward  to a little 8...2  tomorrow.....we are a good company though in terms  and conditions....but  8 days work on the run  is offset  by week 2     only 2 shifts..which is when I try to stock up...stay safe