New build miss sold?

Slithery

quantumlobster wrote: »

To add to this: you only need cat6 for 10GB speeds, but at that point you also need to be mindful of the physical requirements of CAT6, such as minding one's bend radii and ensuring all the conductors are appropriately terminated.

Indeed. The sort of half-arsed job that I usually do with a £5 crimper and pulling cables through small spaces just won't cut it for 10Gb. The only time I use CAT6 at home it's with professionally made patch cables

AdrianC

And what use is Joe Public likely to have for 10gig at home in the foreseeable...?

agrinnall

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46195282


5G will potentially offer speeds >10Gbps, although whether anyone actually needs that is a moot point.

AdrianC

Could.

And, as you say, just think about what that actually means...


At 100Mbit, 1gigabyte takes a little under a minute and a half.
1Gbit, a little under 9 seconds.
10Gbit, a little under 1 second. To transfer a gigabyte. Less than five seconds for a DVD's capacity. Change from 30 seconds for a BluRay disc's capacity. A terabyte in 20 minutes.

10Gbit might be relevant for datacentres, but it certainly isn't necessary for Joe Public.

(and, as for 5G data, wake me when I can send and receive SMS messages at home... Make calls without the help of string? That kind of witchcraft will never catch on...)

Jane_B

davidmcn wrote: »

It's not clear to me that the OP has exchanged as opposed to merely reserving the plot? In any event the contract will probably give the developer enough wriggle room about these sorts of details, certainly won't promise that they'll deliver everything mentioned in the glossy brochures.

Not exchanged yet, I am holding off until this is sorted, i'm not too fussed about the reservation fee, but its all the fees we have paid out so far to the management company, instruction fees for solicitors that I am worried about walking away from.

Jane_B

AdrianC wrote: »

The difference between Cat5 and Cat6 in a home environment is somewhere around trivial-to-nothing. Over time, it might become relevant, but unless you have very exceptional home tech, it's unlikely.

Over Cat5, you'll still reliably get 1Gbit network speeds if everything else supports it, especially at the distances you're likely to get in a domestic property. Above that, you really want Cat6. So, basically, this is all about whether they've strung some network cable, and where the patch panel/switch might or might not be hidden. It's unlikely to take you long to have a look around and see if you can find it. Are there network frontplates in the walls anywhere?



I'm guessing slightly as to what this "Cat5/6 Data Distribution System" is, but I'd be very surprised if it was anything more than simply a bit of cable and a patch panel...

We have a lot of home tech, especially since we want to be a bit future proof, as more and more comes out we will want the ability to take advantage, and having CAT6 was a major selling point for the home for my husband anyway! My main concern is that there doesn't seem to be any data distribution system installed currently, let alone CAT5/6. Another concern was the site manager didn't even know what one was, let alone where it was installed/if it was installed, despite being mentioned on the plans.

Jane_B

AdrianC wrote: »

And what use is Joe Public likely to have for 10gig at home in the foreseeable...?

In the future we probably will, our internet at the new property is 900MB which would have been unheard of 5 years ago for residential use.

Also aside from that, its what they advertised. I don't need that extra muffin at lunch time, but I want it same applies here.

sheramber

Does the brochure ay anything about 'subject to change'.

sal_III

I suspect there is a small print in the brochure saying in effect "Actual specs my vary / DeveloperCo reserved the right to change the specs". Mine did.

In my case I was missing a wine cooler that was in the original brochure when I was reserving, but later was changed to only applicable to the 3 bed flats (I bought 2 bed). Fortunately for me I had a copy of the kitchen layout for my plot clearly showing the presence of the wine cooler. Raised this prior to completion as a snag and later post completion. At the end they agreed to pay me £500 compensation for the missing wine cooler, which i'm happy with, since we don't drink wine and wouldn't have used it in the first place.

If it was me in your situation those seem like a small points to pull out of the purchase if you otherwise like the property.

Cat5e is perfectly fine for home use (even high tech enthusiasts homes). So if this is in the plans I would accept it. Years ago I dreamed how I would fully cable up my home once I buy it. Now when i finally bought one I just hard wired the access points and the home server, everything else is running on mesh WiFi.

Similarly the SkyQ plates - just ask them to be changed to something fit for purpose as part of the snag list.

Edit: about the 900mbps - sure it's available, but it's still unheard of for actual (residential) use. 4k streaming is 25Mbps there are no realistic files to download for residential use that require more than 200-300mbps, 1Gbps (switched) is perfectly future proof for intra-home traffic for at least 10 years, by then you might have to change aged cable anyway.

Jane_B

sheramber wrote: »

Does the brochure ay anything about 'subject to change'.

Nope, we took a good look through after finding out about the missing/incorrect elements. And since this was a brochure for the specific property type and site we are purchasing on - doesn't have any 'subject to change' lines.

Any of the aspects which might be subject to change have all options listed (for example Granite or stone worktops dependent on availability etc.)