Royal Mail £8 Internal Post Handling Fee scam?

zax47

I love this thread, people importing stuff without understanding the costs and then whining about it. Do your homework - numpties.

BTW Royal Mail £8 charge is CHEAP. I import electronics from all over the place and I wish UPS handling fee was only £8 - and I have a bloody account!

skitler

zax47 wrote: »

I love this thread, people importing stuff without understanding the costs and then whining about it. Do your homework - numpties.

BTW Royal Mail £8 charge is CHEAP. I import electronics from all over the place and I wish UPS handling fee was only £8 - and I have a bloody account!

I just have a regular account.

Daithomas24

From reading this thread it's quite apparent that your handling fees just go towards rm workers posting repeated sarcastic comments on threads like these. Not actually helping anyone just rubbing salt in wounds. I'm sure if I moaned so much about the job I was payed to do I wouldn't be doing it any longer. So much for money saving eh...

Royalmail don't actually pay HMRC a penny until you pay them.
Their "fee" is actually illegal as under the Postal Services Act they "must not interfere, withhold, interupt or delay the queens post".
This happens a lot over on the Airsoft forums.
Go to the sorting office and mention the Postal Services Act, Non-contract, etc and it it surprisingly easy not to pay their "fee.
They rely on the fact that A. You don't know any better and B. You accept their "contract".
10mins with Google and you do know better and both parties MUST agree for a contract to be in place.
If they didn't ask you if you wanted them to pay it on your behalf then they cannot under standard contract law infer that a contract exists for them to charge you for a service which you did not request....
Just make sure any package in future is either "Gift" below a certain value mind.... a "Commercial Sample" or it's face value INCLUDING POSTAGE (if airmail/express) is below the threshold and that way there will be no charge anyway.

I have actually had my "handling fee" waived every time using this method.

@ RM workers please don't bother replying if all you have to say is something you have previously posted here because your just wasting valuable pixels.

As someone has already stated the only reason people choose to get items imported from outside the EU is because prices are extortionate in the UK and EU. We get taxed on our wages, taxed on products we buy, taxed 3 times on transportation, taxed for the very air we breathe. Yet if people try to take the initiative and go further afield to find the items they need at a fair price we get taxed again by HMRC in VAT, then monopoly companies like RM slap on illegal handling fees, knowing full well that most people wont even argue the matter or attempt to get their hard earned money back.

custardy

Daithomas24 wrote: »

From reading this thread it's quite apparent that your handling fees just go towards rm workers posting repeated sarcastic comments on threads like these. Not actually helping anyone just rubbing salt in wounds. I'm sure if I moaned so much about the job I was payed to do I wouldn't be doing it any longer. So much for money saving eh...

Royalmail don't actually pay HMRC a penny until you pay them.
Their "fee" is actually illegal as under the Postal Services Act they "must not interfere, withhold, interupt or delay the queens post".
This happens a lot over on the Airsoft forums.
Go to the sorting office and mention the Postal Services Act, Non-contract, etc and it it surprisingly easy not to pay their "fee.
They rely on the fact that A. You don't know any better and B. You accept their "contract".
10mins with Google and you do know better and both parties MUST agree for a contract to be in place.
If they didn't ask you if you wanted them to pay it on your behalf then they cannot under standard contract law infer that a contract exists for them to charge you for a service which you did not request....
Just make sure any package in future is either "Gift" below a certain value mind.... a "Commercial Sample" or it's face value INCLUDING POSTAGE (if airmail/express) is below the threshold and that way there will be no charge anyway.

I have actually had my "handling fee" waived every time using this method.

@ RM workers please don't bother replying if all you have to say is something you have previously posted here because your just wasting valuable pixels.

As someone has already stated the only reason people choose to get items imported from outside the EU is because prices are extortionate in the UK and EU. We get taxed on our wages, taxed on products we buy, taxed 3 times on transportation, taxed for the very air we breathe. Yet if people try to take the initiative and go further afield to find the items they need at a fair price we get taxed again by HMRC in VAT, then monopoly companies like RM slap on illegal handling fees, knowing full well that most people wont even argue the matter or attempt to get their hard earned money back.

Would you care to quote the section of PSA you refer to.
Make sure you use the most current version.

Interesting you want to quote legislation (wrongly)and then in the same post condone a false customs declaration.....

visidigi

Daithomas24 wrote: »

From reading this thread it's quite apparent that your handling fees just go towards rm workers posting repeated sarcastic comments on threads like these. Not actually helping anyone just rubbing salt in wounds. I'm sure if I moaned so much about the job I was payed to do I wouldn't be doing it any longer. So much for money saving eh...

Royalmail don't actually pay HMRC a penny until you pay them.
Their "fee" is actually illegal as under the Postal Services Act they "must not interfere, withhold, interupt or delay the queens post".
This happens a lot over on the Airsoft forums.
Go to the sorting office and mention the Postal Services Act, Non-contract, etc and it it surprisingly easy not to pay their "fee.
They rely on the fact that A. You don't know any better and B. You accept their "contract".
10mins with Google and you do know better and both parties MUST agree for a contract to be in place.
If they didn't ask you if you wanted them to pay it on your behalf then they cannot under standard contract law infer that a contract exists for them to charge you for a service which you did not request....
Just make sure any package in future is either "Gift" below a certain value mind.... a "Commercial Sample" or it's face value INCLUDING POSTAGE (if airmail/express) is below the threshold and that way there will be no charge anyway.

I have actually had my "handling fee" waived every time using this method.

@ RM workers please don't bother replying if all you have to say is something you have previously posted here because your just wasting valuable pixels.

As someone has already stated the only reason people choose to get items imported from outside the EU is because prices are extortionate in the UK and EU. We get taxed on our wages, taxed on products we buy, taxed 3 times on transportation, taxed for the very air we breathe. Yet if people try to take the initiative and go further afield to find the items they need at a fair price we get taxed again by HMRC in VAT, then monopoly companies like RM slap on illegal handling fees, knowing full well that most people wont even argue the matter or attempt to get their hard earned money back.

I have no association with the Royal Mail group whatsoever. But that post is so littered with rubbish it deserves a trip to the tip....but seeing as I have 5 minutes...

Daithomas24 wrote: »

From reading this thread it's quite apparent that your handling fees just go towards rm workers posting repeated sarcastic comments on threads like these. Not actually helping anyone just rubbing salt in wounds. I'm sure if I moaned so much about the job I was payed to do I wouldn't be doing it any longer. So much for money saving eh....

Fees don't go to RM workers. And the connection between fees and sarcasm is a stab in the absolute dark, at best. Its designed to incite, and completely pointless.

Daithomas24 wrote: »

Royalmail don't actually pay HMRC a penny until you pay them.

Proof? I can tell you this, the RM DOES pay HMRC before you pay, the two are NOT connected. The RM have, like other carriers deferment accounts which allow payments and also see a large amount of write-downs. These write-downs are a balance of cost which forms part of the £8 fee too (I forgot this previously) - its a cost of doing business and factored in accordingly - as all business do.

Daithomas24 wrote: »

Their "fee" is actually illegal as under the Postal Services Act they "must not interfere, withhold, interrupt or delay the queens post".

When do you get to the point where this isn't queens post, as it didn't come from the UK it is whoever supplied it. Its serviced as a mutual understanding arrangement between postal carriers.

When do we get to the point that HMRC delay the post through clearance, are they breaking the law too?

Daithomas24 wrote: »

Go to the sorting office and mention the Postal Services Act, Non-contract, etc and it it surprisingly easy not to pay their "fee.
They rely on the fact that A. You don't know any better and B. You accept their "contract".
10mins with Google and you do know better and both parties MUST agree for a contract to be in place.
If they didn't ask you if you wanted them to pay it on your behalf then they cannot under standard contract law infer that a contract exists for them to charge you for a service which you did not request....

Please record and post your next few attempts at this...would be interesting to see just how 'true' this is.

Daithomas24 wrote: »

Just make sure any package in future is either "Gift" below a certain value mind.... a "Commercial Sample" or it's face value INCLUDING POSTAGE (if airmail/express) is below the threshold and that way there will be no charge anyway.

And there it is, fraud. It has to be properly declared, not fraudulently declared.

Daithomas24 wrote: »

I have actually had my "handling fee" waived every time using this method.

You haven't had it waived, you fraudulently declared the goods and therefore didn't get charged. Moving forward with that good luck, HMRC are currently heavily clamping down on undervalued items, frequently seizing the items as they have been mis-declared.

Daithomas24 wrote: »

@ RM workers please don't bother replying if all you have to say is something you have previously posted here because your just wasting valuable pixels.

As someone has already stated the only reason people choose to get items imported from outside the EU is because prices are extortionate in the UK and EU. We get taxed on our wages, taxed on products we buy, taxed 3 times on transportation, taxed for the very air we breathe. Yet if people try to take the initiative and go further afield to find the items they need at a fair price we get taxed again by HMRC in VAT, then monopoly companies like RM slap on illegal handling fees, knowing full well that most people wont even argue the matter or attempt to get their hard earned money back.

Blah blah blah. People buy from companies as they offer the product at the price they are willing to pay. GLOBAL trade requires certain payments to allow receipt. If you dont want to pay these, then buy the product elsewhere.

The RM fee is only expensive when the item is moderately valued. if its a valuable item then the fee is reasonable compared to the mainstream couriers etc.

peter_the_piper

Daithomas24 wrote: »

From reading this thread it's quite apparent that your handling fees just go towards rm workers posting repeated sarcastic comments on threads like these. Not actually helping anyone just rubbing salt in wounds. I'm sure if I moaned so much about the job I was payed to do I wouldn't be doing it any longer. So much for money saving eh...

Royalmail don't actually pay HMRC a penny until you pay them.
Their "fee" is actually illegal as under the Postal Services Act they "must not interfere, withhold, interupt or delay the queens post".
This happens a lot over on the Airsoft forums.
Go to the sorting office and mention the Postal Services Act, Non-contract, etc and it it surprisingly easy not to pay their "fee.
They rely on the fact that A. You don't know any better and B. You accept their "contract".
10mins with Google and you do know better and both parties MUST agree for a contract to be in place.
If they didn't ask you if you wanted them to pay it on your behalf then they cannot under standard contract law infer that a contract exists for them to charge you for a service which you did not request....
Just make sure any package in future is either "Gift" below a certain value mind.... a "Commercial Sample" or it's face value INCLUDING POSTAGE (if airmail/express) is below the threshold and that way there will be no charge anyway.

I have actually had my "handling fee" waived every time using this method.

@ RM workers please don't bother replying if all you have to say is something you have previously posted here because your just wasting valuable pixels.

As someone has already stated the only reason people choose to get items imported from outside the EU is because prices are extortionate in the UK and EU. We get taxed on our wages, taxed on products we buy, taxed 3 times on transportation, taxed for the very air we breathe. Yet if people try to take the initiative and go further afield to find the items they need at a fair price we get taxed again by HMRC in VAT, then monopoly companies like RM slap on illegal handling fees, knowing full well that most people wont even argue the matter or attempt to get their hard earned money back.

Is this the FOTL defence?

Money-Saving-King

Daithomas24 wrote: »

From reading this thread it's quite apparent that your handling fees just go towards rm workers posting repeated sarcastic comments on threads like these.

Please read my sig.

Daithomas24

See again all clutching at straws... An ACT OF PARLIAMENT requires consent from ALL parties involved. I do not consent. It's as simple as that. Just like the whole TV license scam, council tax, to name a few. Both of which I do not pay as I know my rights and I am in no way a sheep.

shaun_from_Africa

Daithomas24 wrote: »

Their "fee" is actually illegal as under the Postal Services Act they "must not interfere, withhold, interupt or delay the queens post".

If you are going to attempt to use legislation as part of your rant, at least get it correct.

1)A person who is engaged in the business
of a postal operator commits an offence if, contrary to his duty and without reasonable excuse, he—
intentionally delays or opens a postal packet in the course of its transmission by post, or

RM have a reasonable excuse to delay a package if there is duty to pay on it and it is their duty to collect this payment, therefore no offence committed.

powerful_Rogue

Daithomas24 wrote: »

See again all clutching at straws... An ACT OF PARLIAMENT requires consent from ALL parties involved. I do not consent. It's as simple as that. Just like the whole TV license scam, council tax, to name a few. Both of which I do not pay as I know my rights and I am in no way a sheep.

Ah, Your a "Freeman of The Land" - That explains a lot. Now we can be 100% that what you have posted is rubbish.