State pension age equalised for men and women - MSE News

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  • zagfleszagfles Forumite
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    But what have you gained? You didn't get anything extra, women just lost something. The real issue is to secure your own financial future, rather than defeat women in a competition of 'who is worst off'.
    Do you think state pensions are paid by the magic money fairy?
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    I read somewhere that putting back women's State pension age to 60 would cost £5B just for the arrears. As any such changes would also have to apply to men (sex equality legislation) so that's £10B plus all the extra pensions going forward. Would Backto60/Graspi like to tell us where they think that money should come from ? The NHS, perhaps ?


    £10B ? - that's easy, leave the EU!


    (intentional Brexit reference).
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    How many people of either sex can really afford to retire early? Unless they've made a conscious effort to save or been fortunate enough to have worked in the public sector in some form. State pension has never been adequate by itself.
    Women are still retiring younger than men on average https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/oct/11/womens-retirement-age-rising-faster-than-mens-in-uk
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    Nual wrote: »
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    I was born in 1956. My mother, aunts, grandmothers didnt work outside the home. I did, but experienced the sex discrimination of the 80's and 90's, and beyond. I brought up two children and worked part time until the youngest was 2, made redundant while on maternity leave etc, then full time: I was the main carer for my mother in her last 5 years and worked full time. Many women of my age group would not have been able to do this - it nearly broke me and certainly affected my promotion prospects.


    My wife & I are both older than you. We met in the airline workplace, where we both earned exactly the same for the same work.
    I suffered the discrimination against men in that she could always manage to swap shifts and take leave at short notice, I couldn't.
    I'm puzzled by 'the sex discrimination of the 80s and 90s and beyond' (as if it was widespread and compulsory) as in the corporate environments I worked at that time I never saw it. Maybe IT was always a fairer and more equal profession?

    Nual wrote: »
    I knew nothing at all about pensions until I was well into my 50s...

    and is that someone else's fault? Certainly we both knew about our pension schemes from the day we were enrolled into them.
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    Equality can be a two edged sword. My last job (I've been retired a while now) they employed a male to add to the females already working there & after a little while it became obvious that whilst he was supposed to be doing the same job he was being paid at least 20% more. Did we shout and scream about the unfairness of it all? No. We got revenge. We made sure he got all the jobs which we considered the sh**ty side of our day & kept the bits for ourselves that we prefered. And we all won. He got the extra pay for the carp & we got our normal pay & avoided the carp. Outcome - he was really great at the carp (& he really was not at the other stuff) & we all got the bonus. So who was discriminated against? We should have been paid more, as he was, but it was worth it to unload the stuff we hated. These things are rarely straightfoward!


    He may well have got more pension out of it too, but I only have myself to keep whilst he had an idle non-working wife to keep (no kids). So I think I won there too.
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    badmemory wrote: »
    Equality can be a two edged sword. My last job (I've been retired a while now) they employed a male to add to the females already working there & after a little while it became obvious that whilst he was supposed to be doing the same job he was being paid at least 20% more. Did we shout and scream about the unfairness of it all? No. We got revenge. We made sure he got all the jobs which we considered the sh**ty side of our day & kept the bits for ourselves that we prefered. And we all won. He got the extra pay for the carp & we got our normal pay & avoided the carp. Outcome - he was really great at the carp (& he really was not at the other stuff) & we all got the bonus. So who was discriminated against? We should have been paid more, as he was, but it was worth it to unload the stuff we hated. These things are rarely straightfoward!
    Yes, and it's still the case than men generally do the sh**ty, dirty, dangerous jobs, IIRC something like 95% of those killed or seriously injured at work are men.

    My friend's daughter has just started working at a pizza takeaway - they segregate jobs there, even now in this day and age - the girls work in the kitchen or behind the counter and the boys do deliveries (generally), it's unbelievable that this sort of thing still happens!
    He may well have got more pension out of it too, but I only have myself to keep whilst he had an idle non-working wife to keep (no kids). So I think I won there too.
    Yup - this too, a man's wage will on average subsidise more people (wife, kids etc) than a woman's. So men on average need to earn more, so seek out higher paying jobs. Men who are fathers earn more on average than single men of the same age.
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    My friend's daughter has just started working at a pizza takeaway - they segregate jobs there, even now in this day and age - the girls work in the kitchen or behind the counter and the boys do deliveries (generally), it's unbelievable that this sort of thing still happens!
    Whilst generally I agree, I do think there will always be some jobs where women are likely to be in the majority (eg caring for very young children) and others where the balance will be the other way round (eg firefighting). Not because there is inherently any reason the jobs couldn't be done by either sex, but because certain attributes (eg strength for firefighting) are found more frequently in one sex than the other. Provided the requirements are clear, and there is an opportunity for anyone of either sex to prove their capability should they wish to, I don't see an issue. Once accepted and suitably qualified, then equal pay for equal work and equal pension for equal number of years worked should be the rule.
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    LHW99 wrote: »
    Whilst generally I agree, I do think there will always be some jobs where women are likely to be in the majority (eg caring for very young children) and others where the balance will be the other way round (eg firefighting). Not because there is inherently any reason the jobs couldn't be done by either sex, but because certain attributes (eg strength for firefighting) are found more frequently in one sex than the other. Provided the requirements are clear, and there is an opportunity for anyone of either sex to prove their capability should they wish to, I don't see an issue. Once accepted and suitably qualified, then equal pay for equal work and equal pension for equal number of years worked should be the rule.


    Don't let Dany Cotton see this post :rotfl:

    "Outdated language is stopping young girls and women considering firefighting as a career."
    London Fire Commissioner Dany Cotton said:
    Paddle No 21 :wave:
  • LHW99LHW99 Forumite
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    Don't let Dany Cotton see this post :rotfl:

    "Outdated language is stopping young girls and women considering firefighting as a career."
    London Fire Commissioner Dany Cotton said:
    Well I can assure him that trying to lift a large size indoor fire extinguisher and run with it was well beyond my strength even in my 20's. However, give me a group of a dozen or so under fives - no problem!
    And yes, I am in the group whose retirement age was lifted by Government twice, and as I have said before, doing that twice left a bit of a bad taste - I would rather have had it all done at one time. But it had to be brought in because equality can't just be for the nice things, it has to be for everything as far as is reasonably practical.
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    Well I can assure him ...

    'Her'. Dany is a 'her.'

    At least I think so...

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