Smart Meter Removal

Carrot007

937carrera wrote: »

In response to one of the earlier comments, I also have a business contract and you don't have to sign up for them on a multi year basis.

You do if you want a good rate though.


And if you want to provide your own meter you would be looking at contract of the maximum term allowed. Unless of course you wanted supply and dc for 1000s of sites.


Personally I believe the smart programme should have either not occured (it's been a mess) or have been mandatory (Feel free to buy a generator, it's an option). But that's badly though out government schemes for you. I'm sure there will be more!

The_Big_Bamboo

The_Big_Bamboo wrote: »

I’ve downloaded an App from the dark-web that allows me to utilize my Smart Meters as a proxy internet broadband router;...it also gives me access to free phone calls (landline numbers/mobile numbers etc) via the ‘Smart meter’ national wireless network.

Superfast broadband and phone calls,... all for FREE!,...what’s not to love? :j :money:

937carrera wrote: »

You're a tease

Tease!!!

It’s all true I tell ‘Ye ! :mad::

...and what’s more Smart-Meters have lovely red and green flashing LED’s,....the old style meters don’t have those, do they‽

baldelectrician

I had my smart meter removed when I was with OVO

After it was installed I read my terms and conditions (I know I should have read them first) and they stated that OVO could switch me to a pay as you go tariff if the D/D failed.

I called them on this and they said 'we would never do that' .
I pointed out that I was never told of functionality and requested they remove the smart meter, after a supervisor visit they did and installed an electronic dumb meter.

Took a bit of to and fro but it got done

937carrera

The_Big_Bamboo wrote: »

Tease!!!

It’s all true I tell ‘Ye ! :mad::

...and what’s more Smart-Meters have lovely red and green flashing LED’s,....the old style meters don’t have those, do they‽

I would have gone for this if you had said Netflix was included. :rotfl:

I opened up my meter cupboards today. Landis & Gyr G370 gas and E470 electric meter. I might switch the IHD on, maybe today will be the last time it works

Smets 1 ??

EachPenny

937carrera wrote: »

So far, no real stories of people successfully getting one removed, which is a bit disappointing. Please, someone give me some hope

I was thinking this from page 1, but Aceshigh84 got there first....

Aceshigh84 wrote: »

I was in a similar position having moved into a house earlier in the year with a smart meter fitted. I had it removed on Tuesday by requesting an economy 7 meter from my supplier - EDF.

As far as I know (but may be wrong) no supplier yet provides a Smart meter compatible with E7 (or if you prefer, not all suppliers currently can).

The solution would appear to be finding a supplier who offers fee-free conversion to E7 metering and has not yet started rolling out E7 Smart meters.

I helped a friend switch to E7 last year, their supplier (SSE) swapped the meter for free (non-smart to non-smart). The only difficulty involved was convincing SSE that the friend could live without 'Smart' functionality, and SSE wouldn't be sued if it turned out the E7 tariff was more expensive for them than a standard tariff (as it turned out I under-estimated the saving, over the course of a year they saved around £75.)

So that's the approach I would suggest to rid yourself of the demonic machine. Use an E7 switch to force them into providing you with a non-'Smart' meter, then consider changing to non-E7 (combined readings) if the E7 costs significantly more. Job done.

[Deleted User]

Yes that would work and switching to an Eco 7 tariff would nt increase your bills, it would most likely lower them. but you would have to pretend you were Eco 7. I think it would be classed as non essential meter exchange so there would be a charge
Check the excellent rates with Yorkshire Energy, on their Green Badger Oct 2019 fix. both day and night rates are around the cheapest in the UK .
Current day rate tariff is 12.55 kwh, night rate is 12.10 p/kwh with a dsc at 18p. (South Yorks area )
This tariff is aimed at users who have GCH and Eco 7 meters.Not uncommon in many towns in the UK especially if they are near large power stations. Eco 7 meters are fitted as standard in new builds with GCH.
Liberty Secure 100 smart meters certainly display day/night reads (on button 6 ) for Eco 7 users but I can t say for sure if they operate this function as smart meters

EachPenny

Houbara wrote: »

Yes that would work and switching to an Eco 7 tariff would nt increase your bills, it would most likely lower them. but you would have to pretend you were Eco 7.

You don't need to pretend anything. You just explain that you've examined your night vs day consumption, intend to run appliances (dishwasher/washing machine) at night, and can see that you will make a small saving. If you want to go belt and braces you could say you intend to run an electrical heater at night as well, but this isn't the Spanish Inquisition and the supplier should switch you to E7 if you request it.

Houbara wrote: »

I think it would be classed as non essential meter exchange so their would be a charge

If the supplier is able to provide you with an E7 supply using the existing meter then the object of the exercise is defeated, otherwise it is up to the supplier to explain how they arrive at the decision the meter exchange is "non essential" when their existing equipment is clearly not fit for purpose.

Or else find another supplier (like SSE(?)) willing to do the exchange for free.

937carrera

Thanks again

My switch completed today, and the WAN connection is still showing a green light :sad: , Does that mean anything ?

Fist step now will be to ask the new supplier if they can put it in dumb mode.

I started to look around on E7 tariffs and came across this:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2017/11/free-electricity-at-night-for-economy-7-with-ebico---but-is-it-cheap/

Seems to imply that you need a smart meter to get E7, rather than the other way round. I have never had E7,just aware from the old days that it was used for night storage heaters and I think it had an additional meter installed (I realise that particular tariff is probably long gone)

EachPenny

937carrera wrote: »

Seems to imply that you need a smart meter to get E7, rather than the other way round.

No, the Ebico tariff is a special deal which is conditional on having a smart meter installed because there are restrictions on your consumption to prevent you taking too much advantage of the 'free' electricity. :money:

They want to be able to monitor your consumption regularly rather than relying on self-reads (which could be faked) or meter readers (which might be too infrequent).

It is the way round I suggested, most suppliers appear unable to provide a smart E7 meter.

937carrera wrote: »

I have never had E7,just aware from the old days that it was used for night storage heaters and I think it had an additional meter installed (I realise that particular tariff is probably long gone)

The arrangements vary by area, but these days most people should get a single meter with the ability to store two readings and a built in clock to switch between night and day recording. What you want would be 'whole house' E7 which means no changes would be required on your internal wiring.... I don't know if any suppliers do anything other than that now, but worth asking the question to make sure before signing up. (unless anyone on the forum already knows.)

Raxiel

937carrera wrote: »

Thanks again

My switch completed today, and the WAN connection is still showing a green light :sad: , Does that mean anything ?

Fist step now will be to ask the new supplier if they can put it in dumb mode.

I started to look around on E7 tariffs and came across this:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2017/11/free-electricity-at-night-for-economy-7-with-ebico---but-is-it-cheap/

Seems to imply that you need a smart meter to get E7, rather than the other way round. I have never had E7,just aware from the old days that it was used for night storage heaters and I think it had an additional meter installed (I realise that particular tariff is probably long gone)

If you had a mobile phone, and you cancelled the contract, the handset would still connect to the nearest tower even though you couldn't use it to make or receive calls. That's the situation the meter is in and why the WAN light is lit. The light is on but no one is home.


You can get E7 without a smart meter (its just 1 meter with 2 registers), although no one will advertise their tariff as 'smart meter free' as it would be seen as a failure of their system to support it rather than a feature (even though its what you actually want). But while eachpenny is correct that not all suppliers support E7 on smart meters, there are plenty that do.