Smart Meter Removal

matelodave

Mister_G wrote: »

When mine went dumb after leaving the initial supplier (Ovo), I can still see my consumption on a real time and cumulative basis. The only part of the IHD that doesn't work is the actual cost, as it isn't getting the unit rate anymore from the current supplier (Eversmart).

This is with the Secure Liberty 100. It may not apply to other makes of smart meter.

My Elster smart meter supplied by SSE does the same. I can see daily, weekly and monthy consumption history as well as the the current live info

Undervalued

937carrera wrote: »

or disconnected through rogue actors, or usge patterns analysed by energy companies or others, facilitiation of either personal usage or demand based pricing due in a large part to failure to ensure sufficient baseload generating capacity in the grid and corresponding over-reliance on the weather for power generation. My concerns are not necessarily those of today.

Yes, I do understand your concerns on that front and I am old enough to remember the "three day week" and associated power cuts.

If such a thing became necessary again I suppose it is possible that it may be done by remotely commanding smart meters. If so, then those houses who don't have one won't be affected.

However I suspect that golden window won't be open for long. For now only about a quarter of houses have a smart meter and half of those have gone dumb due to switching. So for now I assume they would just turn off whole areas as in the seventies.

In a time of national crisis the original supplier of the now "dumb" smart meter could presumably still be ordered to communicate with it?

By one means or another it will become harder / impossible to refuse smart meters as the years go by so I think the only long term answer for anybody bothered enough is to go off grid. In other words become self sufficient or, at the very least, have backup generation and storage.

Maybe that will prove to be the wise thing to have done? Who knows.....

Robin9

937 can I ask what sort of meter you would like to get in place of your Smart meter ?

If you are looking for a Mr Ferranti clockwork dials type you are going to be disappointed, if you want a mechanical cyclometer type you are going to be similarly disappointed.

Undervalued

Robin9 wrote: »

937 can I ask what sort of meter you would like to get in place of your Smart meter ?

If you are looking for a Mr Ferranti clockwork dials type you are going to be disappointed, if you want a mechanical cyclometer type you are going to be similarly disappointed.

Sorry to answer a question directed at somebody else but I would have thought that was obvious.

S/he wants a meter that can't be turned off remotely, doesn't communicate directly and is easy to read manually. In other words what we all had and three quarters of the country still has.

937carrera

Undervalued wrote: »

S/he wants a meter that can't be turned off remotely, doesn't communicate directly and is easy to read manually. In other words what we all had and three quarters of the country still has.

:beer:

That's pretty much it. In other words I don't want a smart meter.

From a technical perpective, as the questioner appears to have some technical knowledge of meters, I have no preference, other than one which will record consumption accurately.

On my journey of discovery over the past few days I have found out that some smart meters fail to do that when dimmers and some other pieces of equipment are in the mix. Apparently they have been proven to both overread and underread consumption depending on what is providing the load. There is reassurance this does not apply to the ones installed in the UK. Yeah right.

Aceshigh84

I was in a similar position having moved into a house earlier in the year with a smart meter fitted. I had it removed on Tuesday by requesting an economy 7 meter from my supplier - EDF.

If I ever want to go back to a single rate tariff I'll just add the two meter readings together.

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937carrera wrote: »

:beer:

That's pretty much it. In other words I don't want a smart meter.

From a technical perpective, as the questioner appears to have some technical knowledge of meters, I have no preference, other than one which will record consumption accurately.

On my journey of discovery over the past few days I have found out that some smart meters fail to do that when dimmers and some other pieces of equipment are in the mix. Apparently they have been proven to both overread and underread consumption depending on what is providing the load. There is reassurance this does not apply to the ones installed in the UK. Yeah right.

http://luxreview.com/article/2017/03/smart-meters-give-inaccurate-led-readings
Maybe you are referring to this little story about dimmer bulbs increasing the readings of smart meters by some Dutch website. It made the news in the UK.
The Daily Telegraph also ran a story about "smart meters " increasing readings.
In both cases they are referring to the IHD which they mixed up with an actual smart meter.
Even the photo in the Dutch website is an IHD, not an actual smart meter.
The Telegraph did well not to be sued by SSE for reporting this story which was caused by a faulty batch of IHD monitors .
Visit Stopsmartmeters.org.uk to read how the lunatic fringe view smart meters

937carrera

The original source does seem to refer to the meters themselves, and has the array of smart meters pictured

I don't know what a "Rogowski Coil" is but I know what a Hall sensor is and that technology certainly isn't needed in a IHD which surely just pulls readings from the meter and creates the pretty graphs.

Unless I'm missing something I have another reason for not wanting a smart meter, or even a modern dumb meter ??

https://www.utwente.nl/en/news/!/2017/3/313543/electronic-energy-meters-false-readings-almost-six-times-higher-than-actual-energy-consumption

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937carrera wrote: »

The original source does seem to refer to the meters themselves, and has the array of smart meters pictured

I don't know what a "Rogowski Coil" is but I know what a Hall sensor is and that technology certainly isn't needed in a IHD which surely just pulls readings from the meter and creates the pretty graphs.

Unless I'm missing something I have another reason for not wanting a smart meter, or even a modern dumb meter ??

https://www.utwente.nl/en/news/!/2017/3/313543/electronic-energy-meters-false-readings-almost-six-times-higher-than-actual-energy-consumption

More dodgy photos from the dodgy Dutch website .from that photo I recognise most of the meters , none of which are actual smart meters. But these people can fool the masses easily enough if they want to make a point.
There are quite a few standard dumb credit meters in that array, and the rest are business meters which are not technically "smart " although they do transmit readings automatically . Not one of the meters in that photo are UK smart meters in use today.There are even a couple of old electromechanical analogue meters in that lot lol.
Yes you are missing something, you re being conned

937carrera

I agree, you are correct on the meters. The test was for "static" or for me "solid state" meters in comparison I guess to the Ferranto or mechanical meters you referred to earlier. Those meters then can have a "smart" front end put on. I assumed the two black ones were the old meters, used as a control in the test.

In the Netherlands, traditional energy meters (kWh) – the familiar energy meter with a rotating disc – are being increasingly replaced by electronic variants (which are also known as ‘static energy meters’). One well-known variant of the latter is the ‘smart meter’. The Dutch government wants smart meters in every household by 2020.

I wouldn't call the University of Twente dodgy by the way, they're perfectly respectable. If you want to dispute their findings that's fine, or do you think they may have a point ?

When I got my business supply connected I had to have a new meter installed due to age. I think it's an EDMI Atlas Mk10D (N Power). Within a week the meter man was there and he calls every quarter as the smart functionality has never been switched on.