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Help please.....Claim form received from court

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  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
    BW legal have recently been emailing me constantly

    If you feel that they are behaving unprofessionally, or in breach of their Code of Practice, complain to their regulatory body.

    http://www.sra.org.uk/home/home.page

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P.
    for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the House of Commons recently

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41 recently.

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Prinndogs
    Prinndogs Posts: 16 Forumite
    Awesome guys, thanks for the information above.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 155,731 Forumite
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    Since they are duty bound to provide me with the information, would that form my defence (given that I can’t file a defence for an occurrence I have no information about)?
    You must file your defence in time, or you lose by default.

    You have more info that Matilda13, and she's just finalised a defence I commented on yesterday (and she knows NOTHING about the car park or anything at all!). Read her defence and the other examples in the NEWBIES thread, you CAN plagiarise them.

    There are now 11 of you with PPS LBCs or claims, so read them all:

    earth_moon626

    NikiFm

    elithia

    SingStar101

    Justice13075

    bows

    Matilda13

    Palec

    phoenixfreespirit

    Cawills2018
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Prinndogs
    Prinndogs Posts: 16 Forumite
    edited 9 October 2018 at 3:36PM
    So, I have had a nightmare week and had my phone stolen. This had the MCOL number etc screenshots which have not synced to my google account and have therefore been lost. After several discussions with MCOL, I have been informed that my only course of action is to submit my defence by post or by e-mail (as I can no longer log in to the account). I am going to do it by e-mail, as detailed by Keith earlier in this thread. Will my only way of checking the defence has been logged etc be calling the MCOL helpdesk? Thanks in advance. Here is my proposed initial defence:

    IN THE COUNTY COURT
    CLAIM No: to be added in the original
    BETWEEN:
    Private Parking Solutions Ltd (Claimant)

    -and-

    (Defendant)

    DEFENCE



    1. It is admitted that Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle in question. However, the Claimant has no cause of action and has filed this claim without providing any information to the Defendant whatsoever.

    1.1 Neither the Defendant, nor any other possible drivers, recall any 'parking charge notice' (PCN) from the past, nor does the Defendant even know where the car park was, having only the vague Particulars of Claim (POC). Any contractual agreement - and thus any breach - is denied.

    2. The POC alleges that the Defendant was 'the registered keeper and/or the driver' of the vehicle, thereby vaguely offering a menu of choices copied from BW Legal's latest batch of robo-claims issued in September 2018. The Claimant has and failed to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4, or with Civil Practice Direction 16, paras. 7.3 to 7.5. Further, the POC do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached.

    2.1. This Claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol. There was no compliant ‘Letter before County Court Claim’, under the Practice Direction and the Defendant has no idea what the claim is about - why the charge arose, what the original charge was, what the alleged contract was; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information.

    2.2. The vague POC discloses nothing that can lead to a claim in law. The parking event was far too long ago to expect a registered keeper to recall the day or who was driving, and it is believed from the Defendant's research of similar cases, that this Claimant did not use compliant documents to hold a registered keeper liable anyway.

    3. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 (the POFA) has not been complied with. The registered keeper was unaware of the PCN and does not admit to being the driver of the vehicle in question on the date in question, as such the keeper can only be held liable if the Claimant has fully complied with the strict requirements including 'adequate notice' of charge and prescribed Notice to Keeper letters in time/with mandatory wording.

    4. This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an un-denied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. From research of similar cases and given the woeful POC and lack of any previous information, the Defendant doubts that any legitimate interest or clear signage applies in this case.

    5. Had any contravention apparently taken place (and this is not confirmed), it can only have been that signage on and around the site in question was small, unclear and not prominent and did not meet the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice (CoP).

    5.1. The Claimant was a member of the BPA at the time and committed to follow its requirements, and the Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof of compliance with the applicable Code of Practice.

    6. It is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. The proper Claimant is the landowner. Strict proof is required that there is a chain of contracts leading from the landowner to Premier Parking Solutions Ltd and that this chain of contracts was valid in its entirety on the date of the alleged offence.

    7. No sum payable to this Claimant was accepted nor even known about by any driver; as they were not given a fair opportunity to discover the onerous terms by which they would later be bound.

    8. Prior to any court hearing the Defendant has sent a Subject Access Request (SAR) twice to BW Legal and once to PPS for the following:
    8.1.(i) copies of the signs on which the Claimant relies and confirm with photographic evidence, that the signs were in situ on the date of the event.

    (ii) Images of the signs that were at the entrance to the site on the date in question and confirmation that the signs met the BPA CoP that applied at the time of the alleged parking event.
    (iii) copies of any letters sent, including the original PCN and/or Notice to Keeper.

    (iv) a full breakdown of the amount of the claim and how the amount was derived.

    (v) the Claimant's reasons why they believe the keeper has liability.



    9. The POFA does not permit the Claimant to recover a sum greater than the parking charge on the day before a Notice to Keeper was issued. That sum cannot have exceeded the BPA CoP ceiling of £100 and the Claimant cannot recover additional charges.

    10. The Claimant has inexplicably added 'costs or damages' bolted onto the alleged PCN, despite using a solicitor to file the claim, who must be well aware that the CPR 27.14 does not permit such 'admin' charges to be recovered in the Small Claims Court.

    10.1. In any event, the Beavis case confirmed that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead their case in damages and could only collect the already inflated parking charge (in that case, £85) which more than covered the very minimal costs of running an automated/template letter parking regime.

    10.2. The Claimant is put to strict proof to show how any alleged costs/damages have been incurred and that it formed a prominent, legible part of any terms on signage, and that it was, in fact, expended. To add vague damages plus alleged 'legal costs' on top is a wholly disingenuous attempt at double recovery, and the Defendant is alarmed by this gross abuse of process.

    10.3. Given the fact that BW Legal boasted in Bagri v BW Legal Ltd of processing 'millions' of claims with an admin team (and only a handful of solicitors), the Defendant avers that no solicitor is likely to have supervised this current batch of cut & paste PPS robo-claims at all, on the balance of probabilities.

    10.4. According to Ladak v DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA the claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent on preparing the claim in a legal capacity, not any administration cost.

    11. The Defendant invites the court to strike out the claim as having no prospect of success. Alternatively, the Defendant requests the court to order the Claimant to provide Further and Better Particulars of Claim and allow the Defendant to respond to those POC.

    12. The Defendant has sent a SAR to the Claimant, for response during October 2018, and will expand upon the denial of breach in the witness statement and evidence, once the Defendant has seen the details from the SAR and/or in the event that the Court orders the Claimant to file & serve better particulars.

    13. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all. In summary, it is the Defendant's position that the poorly pleaded claim discloses no cause of action, is without merit, and has no real prospect of success.

    I believe the facts contained in this Defence are true.


    Name

    Signature

    Date

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks go to Matilda13 and Coupon-mad (as well as all others who contributed to the above).
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,296 Forumite
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    Will my only way of checking the defence has been logged etc be calling the MCOL helpdesk?
    Yes, and that's exactly what you need to do.
    We have seen a few mistakes in this area recently, so do please check.
  • Prinndogs
    Prinndogs Posts: 16 Forumite
    Once again Keith, thank you. How does the defence look please?
  • System
    System Posts: 178,374 Community Admin
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    As registered keeper, I had not parked in the space but another driver had (whilst I was at work)

    You have successfully managed to blow away your key defence point by waffling and using a template. Nowhere does it actually say in an unequivocal manner that you were not driving.

    Just concentrate on the following issues

    1. You were not driving
    2. As you were not driving you cannot say whether the driver did breach the terms at the car park and you want PPS to prove the same.
    3. If they do prove a breach, they need to show they met the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act to hold the keeper liable. You want PPS to prove the same.

    It's a simple either/or.
    This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com
  • Thanks for your help. I used the defence that had been prepared and updated for Matilda13. I understand that there might be a degree of 'waffle' but was under the impression that the more items in the defence, the more that PPS have to prove? Here is my updated defence:

    IN THE COUNTY COURT
    CLAIM No: to be added in the original
    BETWEEN:
    Private Parking Solutions Ltd (Claimant)

    -and-

    (Defendant)

    DEFENCE



    1. It is admitted that Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle in question. However, the Claimant has no cause of action and has filed this claim without providing any information to the Defendant whatsoever. The defendant asserts that he was the registered keeper but was not the driver as he only drove infrequently due to his partner having just given birth to their daughter. Further to this matter, the defendant never used car parks as he would always park at the fire station in town where he works (on the rare occasions he actually had to go into town). As the defendant was not the driver, the registered keeper cannot say whether the driver did breach the terms at the car park.

    1.1 Neither the Defendant, nor any other possible drivers, recall any 'parking charge notice' (PCN) from the past, nor does the Defendant even know where the car park was, having only the vague Particulars of Claim (POC). Any contractual agreement - and thus any breach - is denied.

    2. The POC alleges that the Defendant was 'the registered keeper and/or the driver' of the vehicle, thereby vaguely offering a menu of choices copied from BW Legal's latest batch of robo-claims issued in September 2018. The Claimant has and failed to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4, or with Civil Practice Direction 16, paras. 7.3 to 7.5. Further, the POC do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached.

    2.1. This Claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol. There was no compliant ‘Letter before County Court Claim’, under the Practice Direction and the Defendant has no idea what the claim is about - why the charge arose, what the original charge was, what the alleged contract was; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information.

    2.2. The vague POC discloses nothing that can lead to a claim in law. The parking event was far too long ago to expect a registered keeper to recall the day or who was driving, and it is believed from the Defendant's research of similar cases, that this Claimant did not use compliant documents to hold a registered keeper liable anyway.

    3. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 (the POFA) has not been complied with. The registered keeper was unaware of the PCN and does not admit to being the driver of the vehicle in question on the date in question, as such the keeper can only be held liable if the Claimant has fully complied with the strict requirements including 'adequate notice' of charge and prescribed Notice to Keeper letters in time/with mandatory wording.

    4. This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an un-denied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. From research of similar cases and given the woeful POC and lack of any previous information, the Defendant doubts that any legitimate interest or clear signage applies in this case.

    5. Had any contravention apparently taken place (and this is not confirmed), it can only have been that signage on and around the site in question was small, unclear and not prominent and did not meet the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice (CoP).

    5.1. The Claimant was a member of the BPA at the time and committed to follow its requirements, and the Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof of compliance with the applicable Code of Practice.

    6. It is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim. The proper Claimant is the landowner. Strict proof is required that there is a chain of contracts leading from the landowner to Premier Parking Solutions Ltd and that this chain of contracts was valid in its entirety on the date of the alleged offence.

    7. No sum payable to this Claimant was accepted nor even known about by any driver; as they were not given a fair opportunity to discover the onerous terms by which they would later be bound.

    8. Prior to any court hearing the Defendant has sent a Subject Access Request (SAR) twice to BW Legal and once to PPS for the following:
    8.1.(i) copies of the signs on which the Claimant relies and confirm with photographic evidence, that the signs were in situ on the date of the event.

    (ii) Images of the signs that were at the entrance to the site on the date in question and confirmation that the signs met the BPA CoP that applied at the time of the alleged parking event.
    (iii) copies of any letters sent, including the original PCN and/or Notice to Keeper.

    (iv) a full breakdown of the amount of the claim and how the amount was derived.

    (v) the Claimant's reasons why they believe the keeper has liability.



    9. The POFA does not permit the Claimant to recover a sum greater than the parking charge on the day before a Notice to Keeper was issued. That sum cannot have exceeded the BPA CoP ceiling of £100 and the Claimant cannot recover additional charges.

    10. The Claimant has inexplicably added 'costs or damages' bolted onto the alleged PCN, despite using a solicitor to file the claim, who must be well aware that the CPR 27.14 does not permit such 'admin' charges to be recovered in the Small Claims Court.

    10.1. In any event, the Beavis case confirmed that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead their case in damages and could only collect the already inflated parking charge (in that case, £85) which more than covered the very minimal costs of running an automated/template letter parking regime.

    10.2. The Claimant is put to strict proof to show how any alleged costs/damages have been incurred and that it formed a prominent, legible part of any terms on signage, and that it was, in fact, expended. To add vague damages plus alleged 'legal costs' on top is a wholly disingenuous attempt at double recovery, and the Defendant is alarmed by this gross abuse of process.

    10.3. Given the fact that BW Legal boasted in Bagri v BW Legal Ltd of processing 'millions' of claims with an admin team (and only a handful of solicitors), the Defendant avers that no solicitor is likely to have supervised this current batch of cut & paste PPS robo-claims at all, on the balance of probabilities.

    10.4. According to Ladak v DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA the claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent on preparing the claim in a legal capacity, not any administration cost.

    11. The Defendant invites the court to strike out the claim as having no prospect of success. Alternatively, the Defendant requests the court to order the Claimant to provide Further and Better Particulars of Claim and allow the Defendant to respond to those POC.

    12. The Defendant has sent a SAR to the Claimant, for response during October 2018, and will expand upon the denial of breach in the witness statement and evidence, once the Defendant has seen the details from the SAR and/or in the event that the Court orders the Claimant to file & serve better particulars.

    13. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all. In summary, it is the Defendant's position that the poorly pleaded claim discloses no cause of action, is without merit, and has no real prospect of success.

    I believe the facts contained in this Defence are true.


    Name

    Signature

    Date
  • System
    System Posts: 178,374 Community Admin
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    understand that there might be a degree of 'waffle' but was under the impression that the more items in the defence, the more that PPS have to prove?

    In the interest of brevity and reducing waffle - Nope they don't. Just the balance of probabilities (51%)
    This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com
  • Hey everyone, so I have now received a response to my defence from BW Legal but when I try and upload the letters and supporting evidence (pics) from them, I'm told I can't post with links due to being a new member. Please advise if there is any way around this, so I can upload the images on here.
    Many Thanks
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