Multiple tickets via ANPR

Fuzzycat

Ok, so all the tickets were NTKs from the PCN Admin centre. I got 2 on my windscreen and after that I just made sure I went nowhere near the car park. I have treated the 2 on my windscreen as the same and sent letters to the PPC.

I used the letter template from NEWBIES which starts: 'I appeal and dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability.'

I have sent the template letter (obviously amended) to the PPC for all tickets I received. I will now draft a letter to the PPC asking for a SAR. As of yet, I've not received anything from the DVLA.

I did change address, so that I can receive any mail related to the car, but I don't live there, it's just a postal address of a friend.

Thank you so much for all your help.

FuzzyCat

Coupon-mad

Ok, so all the tickets were NTKs from the PCN Admin centre. I got 2 on my windscreen and after that I just made sure I went nowhere near the car park. I have treated the 2 on my windscreen as the same and sent letters to the PPC.

OK so you are saying there was a postal NTK as the first notice, for two of them, and a windscreen PCN as the first notice, for the other two, BUT you waited for the PCN Admin Centre NTKs to arrive for those first? So you have 4 x NTKs there?

Or were the windscreen ones appealed as keeper and have never had a NTK?

Are the NTKs compliant with:

- para 8 of the POFA, for those with PCN followed by NTK

- para 9 of the POFA, for those with a NTK only.

You can check by comparing them to the POFA Sch4 or show us BROKEN link (change http to hxxp) to a Dropbox scan of both sides of these.

Fuzzycat

Hiya everyone,

Again, thanks for taking the time to look at my thread. Must admit, I am very stressed with all this but knowing I have people on my side makes a huge difference. I've taken 2 photos for you to look at, hope these are adequate.

Here is the front of the ticket: hxxps/dropbox.com/s/gie2sxbondhtenp/Ticket%20front.jpg?dl=0

and here is the back: hxxps/dropbox.com/s/gslwpgii7lya966/Ticket%20rear.jpg?dl=0

Thank you so much,

FuzzyCat :j

Fuzzycat

Can anyone advise if these tickets enforceable under the POFA 2012? I'm not certain if they are or not.

KeithP

Perhaps you should compare them with POFA Sched 4.

There is a link to POFA Sched 4 in the NEWBIES thread.

Fuzzycat

I'm not sure I am able to make much sense of the wording.

Out of interest, is it worth getting my MPs help? They have offered to help me with my case.

FuzzyCat

Ralph-y

yes ... if you can get your MP onside then it may help


have you seen ....




https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

and slightly longer, the committee stage

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d5550515-cce9-4185-83ec-754dadb7524a

''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.

and some quotes from the committe stage

"The other area is hospital parking, and I want to single out one company for some pretty shady practices. That is ParkingEye"
" is very clear to me that there is collusion between parking companies and solicitors’ firms—so-called roboclaims companies. "
"They are often set up adjacently and involve the same directors and personnel. Incidentally, the same personnel get involved in the so-called appeals bodies."
"Essentially, it is a money-making enterprise that takes advantage of motorists up and down the country. They operate in a very business-like fashion, which is why I call them roboclaims companies."
"The companies are jamming up parts of our legal system."
“I now pretty much know exactly how the parking companies and in particular the IPC have been running this scam for the past 5 years. Basically both of the appeals processes are a complete and utter sham, (and part of that sham is Gladstones Solicitors itself)”
"The appeals process at Excel/VCS is run by a team of minimum wage office workers with no legal knowledge or experience whatsoever,"
" It is claimed by the head of the appeals service (retired Judge Bryn Holloway) that this is a completely independent fair process, it is not”
"The letter mentions two individuals—Will Hurley and Bryn Holloway—and concludes this is a typical example of the clear collusion between the IPC, their members and the IAS"
"what we can do about roboclaims companies and solicitors firms that profit, often in shady ways"
" the very large amounts of money that can be involved in such scams—a company called Smart Parking was involved in one such scam on my patch"
"tightening up the rules regarding the unfair use of automatic number plate recognition" "BW Legal, regularly issues 10,000 county court judgments a month, and is known to have issued 28,000 in one month"
"They are jamming up our court system, and are often totally unjustified."
" because the lifeblood of trying to extort money from people is having access to their details."

All from Parking (Code of Practice) Bill (First sitting) Hansard








Ralph:cool:

Fuzzycat

Evening ladies and gents.

I have now received an LBC from the solicitors working on behalf of the PPC. Dated 12th February, I was away but have now written the SAR request for the PPC (I have sent these before but have been ignored)

I will send the letter and email to the solicitor tomorrow, advising my case should be 'put on hold'.

It is 2 windscreen PCNs I am fighting now. The other tickets were thrown out by POPLA.

Is it worth mentioning that the other tickets were found to be invalid? I would have appealed to POPLA but was snowed under with stupid tickets everywhere.

Coupon-mad

Yes, you can mention that to the solicitor, as well as stating that the two remaining meritless PCNs must be the subject of a single claim as they turn on the same baseless facts (be sarcastic like me if it's your style!).

If you want the case on hold for 30 days, add 'I am seeking debt advice' (yes, really).

Le_Kirk

Fuzzycat wrote: »

...... was away but have now written the SAR request for the PPC (I have sent these before but have been ignored)

Have you sent them to the DPO of the PPC by searching for an e-mail address on the privacy page of the PPC? Did you put Subject Access Request in the subject line of the e-mail and add the PCN reference number and provide proof of who you are - such as a scanned copy of your V5C? If so and more than 30 days has passed, complain to the ICO.