Invstigation of an allegation

farmerboy

Diamandis wrote: »

You seem to not be accepting any responsibility that you've done something wrong. If you come into a disciplinary with that attitude it won't go well. I'd suggest apologising sincerely for the way you acted and trying to reassure your employer that it won't be repeated.

Personally, I'm not sure I have done anything wrong, but as my daughter has said I'm set in my ways. Its just the way my whole working life has been, do something wrong, accept the rollocking and get on with the job. I've had that from every boss I've had, including my current one.


As I have said in the above post, I have learnt some lessons today already, and have implemented them with management right away. Others will take a long time to change, if they ever do. But hopefully taking the ones I have dealt with today out of the equation will help bring the latter one on.


As for disciplinary meeting, lets see if it gets that far

sangie595

Given that you know all the answers; you know that shouting at your trainees is not only acceptable, but the right thing to do; that health and safety is dependant on how much you abuse a trainee and not how you instruct or train them; and that shrugging your shoulders at "modern ways" such as acting within the law or adopting and following proper policies that include respecting employees .. one wonders why you bothered posting. You'll do what you want anyway.

JReacher1

You will be fine. As long as you did not cross the line and use personal abuse in your rant then there will be no real action taken. Worse case scenario they may put you on a course.

seatbeltnoob

sangie595 wrote: »

Given that you know all the answers; you know that shouting at your trainees is not only acceptable, but the right thing to do; that health and safety is dependant on how much you abuse a trainee and not how you instruct or train them; and that shrugging your shoulders at "modern ways" such as acting within the law or adopting and following proper policies that include respecting employees .. one wonders why you bothered posting. You'll do what you want anyway.

I dont know why anyone even bothered with this thread at all.


OP is just badmouthing the other staff while justifying their actions and covering their back. Not even willing to give specific details of what happened.


I say OP doesn't need anyones advice, just go to the disciplinary hearing and carry on making your case as you were.

DontBringBertie

People have arguments at work all the time - can you imagine if employees were sacked every time it happened?!

sangie595

DontBringBertie wrote: »

People have arguments at work all the time - can you imagine if employees were sacked every time it happened?!

Really? You must work in some astonishing places. You go to work to work, not to argue or indulge in playground behaviour. If you prefer the latter to the former, don't be surprised at being sacked. It the modern thing, being opposed to bullying, abuse, intolerance and lack of respect...

theoretica

farmerboy wrote: »

If we reported everything that was considered dangerous then we'd fast lose trainees.

Ouch. That does make me doubt your company's training procedures are up to the job. Things getting to a genuinely dangerous stage should be rare. If you don't report them, how can the company know how common they are and change things to avoid them?

nicechap

Going from a "row" to "lost my temper" within a couple of posts as well as admitting failing to report dangerous incidents. Worst case scenario could be gross misconduct and dismissal but no doubt the OP believes they are too valuable to the employer to be appropriately sanctioned.

farmerboy

seatbeltnoob wrote: »

I dont know why anyone even bothered with this thread at all.


OP is just badmouthing the other staff while justifying their actions and covering their back. Not even willing to give specific details of what happened.


I say OP doesn't need anyones advice, just go to the disciplinary hearing and carry on making your case as you were.

Actually 2 people have answered my question for me, for which I have thanked them for. I've also answered questions asked, maybe not to the liking of some on here, but I have answered them honestly. I cannot give specific details due to wishing to remain anonymous as it would be very easy to identify both myself and the company if I did. And I'm not that stupid lol.


But I've had 2 issues on tonight's shift where I was spoken to like I spoke to the person in question, one by a manager and one by a supervisor. On both occasions, I knew I was in the wrong and they were right. Now should I report them?? I haven't and I won't because it was a issue that needed addressing and dealing with, then after it was all said we just got on with the work.



The industry I work in is one of the last none PC ones on the ground, much to the disgust of the higher levels. The management at our company know of the issues faced in regards to training and getting people up to speed with the work, they adapt the training to suit. They encourage us to discuss these issues not report and whistle blow at every opportunity, as some on here would like. The majority of training is done on the job, mainly because class room cannot replicate the issues we come across when doing the work. Occasionally, what most would expect as normal investigations have to be done, which is what I am facing.



Once again thanks to the ones who answered the question I asked.



If/When this progresses, then I'll take my chances, and provide a true and honest account of what happened like I have done from the start. I know I'm not indispensable, but I also know that what ever the outcome I can walk straight into another job in the same industry.

farmerboy

sangie595 wrote: »

Given that you know all the answers; you know that shouting at your trainees is not only acceptable, but the right thing to do; that health and safety is dependant on how much you abuse a trainee and not how you instruct or train them; and that shrugging your shoulders at "modern ways" such as acting within the law or adopting and following proper policies that include respecting employees .. one wonders why you bothered posting. You'll do what you want anyway.

Please explain to me how many times you have to show someone how to do something? This isn't just me training these people, we have an equal number of trainees to experienced staff and they work with different ones regularly. The issue in question is something that is learnt in basic training and told in the safety brief at the start of each shift. This is a 3rd year trainee who is still getting the basics wrong after being shown and told numerous times by numerous people. And before you ask why is he still employed, the co are scared to lay him and others off due to being taken to the cleaners by 2 previous trainees over equal pay and conditions, because they screwed up when they employed them.


As to why I keep posting, well its to wind up people like yourself who work in the 'oh so perfect politically correct office' where no doubt everything is rosy from 9-5 but I bet there's some back stabbing going off outside of that. At least in our industry people say what they think to your face, you may not like it but at least you know where you stand.