What are ADSL speeds like these days?

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gradwellmike wrote: »

I'm sure these companies are very happy that there are sufficient people out there such as yourself who will happily swallow whatever they are told, but I prefer to keep an open mind.

While happily wasting £140 on a "gamble" when everybody knows exactly what you're going to get speed wise. You're a wise man right enough.

iniltous

The OP's 'point' that perhaps ISP's make more money from FTTC rather than ADSL, is probably incorrect , in the case of MPF providers like Talk Talk and Sky, providing ADSL2+ is totally (apart from line rental costs ) within their own network, using assets they already own, whereas with FTTC they are paying out to third party's for both the line and the FTTC port (and any handover links) , so Sky and TT would presumably be better off with ADSL2+ customers than FTTC customers, even taking into account the slightly higher fee they can ask for FTTC over ADSL.
The implied point, that is if ADSL providers only guarantee 2-3Mb , then that's all they will provide is nonsense, they will provide whatever the line length will support , and if the line length is short enough that in the past 10Mb+ was achievable then there is no reason to think that speed wouldn't be achieved now .

AndyPK

That's an interesting point.

Considering Vodafone and NowTV do fibre for about £20 month.

Normally they would pay openreach £8 for Line rental.
I wonder what they pay open reach for the fibre port

iniltous

AndyPK wrote: »

That's an interesting point.

Considering Vodafone and NowTV do fibre for about £20 month.

Normally they would pay openreach £8 for Line rental.
I wonder what they pay open reach for the fibre port

All OR prices are published , and the FTTC price varys depending on the product, around £7/month for the basic FTTC product , so if it's possible to get retail FTTC for around £20 a month , around £14 of that is line/port costs.

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iniltous wrote: »

The OP's 'point' that perhaps ISP's make more money from FTTC rather than ADSL, is probably incorrect , in the case of MPF providers like Talk Talk and Sky, providing ADSL2+ is totally (apart from line rental costs ) within their own network, using assets they already own, whereas with FTTC they are paying out to third party's for both the line and the FTTC port (and any handover links) , so Sky and TT would presumably be better off with ADSL2+ customers than FTTC customers, even taking into account the slightly higher fee they can ask for FTTC over ADSL.

Good points and probably spot on.

The implied point, that is if ADSL providers only guarantee 2-3Mb , then that's all they will provide is nonsense, they will provide whatever the line length will support , and if the line length is short enough that in the past 10Mb+ was achievable then there is no reason to think that speed wouldn't be achieved now .

The OP does use the term (they are) "only prepared to estimate about 2Mb for my line" rather than guarantee.

They also said "I've been using fibre for the past few years", don't know how long that would be exactly but many things could have changed in that time. Perhaps a telegraph pole was removed and the line length is now longer, perhaps there's a new build of flats attached to the same line in which case congestion will force them to lower everybody's speed.

In fact the OP could have moved as they don't actually state they're in the same property. So expecting to get the same speed a few years later, even if in the same property, is no guarantee at all.

The one thing that is certain is that it's not the suppliers telling porkies in order to upgrade people. That's still paranoid nonsense.

AndyPK

This will give you an honest answer to ASDL speeds. (or any other computer system)

https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/adsl.htm?s_cid=ws_furls_adslchecker

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AndyPK wrote: »

This will give you an honest answer to ASDL speeds. (or any other computer system)

https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/adsl.htm?s_cid=ws_furls_adslchecker

Strangely enough I'm getting lower numbers on that for ADSL on both my previous address and the new one than it used to report just 5 months ago and certainly lower than I was getting in actuality (I've still got the speedtest.net results).

At the old address I was getting 18 to 19 Mbps but the checker claims it's now up to 11 and a range of 6.5 to 15 Mbps.

At the new address (exactly twice the distance in a straight line from the old one) I was getting 14 Mbps but the checker claims it's now up to 6 and a range of 4 to 8 Mbps.

When I've used the BT checker in the past it's always agreed with what I was getting so either somethings changed at the exchange end or the small number of new flats close to the old address have made quite a difference. Glad I grabbed the NowTV fibre offer now.

Edit: actually there is another new build area with a lot of flats that's attached to the same exchange so there's more properties added than I thought.

AndyPK

yeah they do appear to have changed the ASDL speed results (and dropped fibre by postcode all together)

It used to report for me 1-3 Mbps.
Quite a difference at the bottom!

I actually had to take the free Sky BB MSE deal for a year to find out what the speed would be :rotfl:

It now says upto 1.5
which is much closer to the 1 Mbps I actually got.

EDIT: I think they have just move the columns about.
Over on the right it now says 1.5 - 4 Mbps

gradwellmike

So you are prepared to wright off £140. (nearly half a years fibre)
In the chance you will save £156. And then pay out £300.

Well, not quite, no.



I did say : 'I had considered'. I make that the past tense - meaning, 'no longer under under consideration' / 'will not be happening' / 'explored the concept of'.


Same with this silliness:

While happily wasting £140 on a "gamble" when everybody knows exactly what you're going to get speed wise. You're a wise man right enough.

With my expected ADSL speeds now having miraculously dropped to way below what they once were, and little evidence to reveal whether this is an actual drop or a 'marketing' drop, I won't be taking that gamble.


If I'd taken that option and ADSL worked out to be acceptable for my needs, I'm fairly sure I'd have stayed with it, shifting round to other £12 suppliers. I'd guess that ADSL will never again be marketed as desirable, so the price will always reflect that.



However I'm happy for the gullible to continue to believe that marketing is an honest endeavour!


Gratitude to those who have provided relevant, on-topic input!

AndyPK

I think there are many out there with asdl and quite happy with it. I suspect their line test results don't show 2mbps though.

As you are on fibre now, clearly you either

1. Fell for the marketing hype.
2. Found asdl too slow