No through road signs with cameras

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There are signs like that at my local (NewCross Hospital), as you could (at the right time) drive straight across the site and use it as a shortcut.
There are ANPR cameras everywhere, but I can't see what they could fine you for, as the Public have access to the site, maybe it is permissive access, based on having business inside the Hospital during specific times, and the fine is for some sort of trespass?

sheramber

Johno100 wrote: »

Nope that is unique to Scotland and I'm not sure how widely that provision is used. I'd imagine the private parking companies wouldn't be too keen on the idea as they wouldn't be able to generate any revenue by enforcement.



Theoretically enforceable in the civil courts as in any breach of the terms and conditions of the contract formed to park there.

But of course driving down a no through road is not parking and the parking company are on extremely thin ground obtaining keeper details from the DVLA for a non-parking event.

There are very few supermarket car parks in Scotland where there is private parking charges.

The only one near me is a supermarket adjacent to the shopping mall. As the shopping mall car parking is charged people were parking in the free supermarket car park and going shopping in the mall. So now, the supermarket car park in charged and patrolled.

Where I used to live the local shopping centre car park belonged to the supermarket there. But the disabled spaces were constantly occupied by non disabled persons visiting the supermarket or the ATM outside the bank as the spaces were beside these premises.

Eventually the supermarket arranged for the council to take over the car park so these spaces could be enforced.

Johno100

sheramber wrote: »

There are very few supermarket car parks in Scotland where there is private parking charges.

The only one near me is a supermarket adjacent to the shopping mall. As the shopping mall car parking is charged people were parking in the free supermarket car park and going shopping in the mall. So now, the supermarket car park in charged and patrolled.

Who's mentioned charging to park? That's not a prerequisite for a private parking company to want to infest a car park.

Iceweasel

Apodemus wrote: »

In Scotland, supermarkets (and indeed all private car parks) can work with their local authority to have a Traffic Regulation Order put in place, which makes the Disable Bays enforceable and I would imagine there will be similar provisions in the relevant Acts in the rest of UK.

I think that many of the posters in this thread have never visited the MSE parking forum.

How can the disabled bays in private car parks such as supermarkets be enforceable when the info that comes with the blue disabled badge clearly states that they are only for use on-street and in council car-parks.

As a matter of principal I wouldn't park in a supermarket disabled bay anyway - but to my mind none of these private car parks in Scotland have enforceable charges against the keeper - not for overstaying, parking in the 'wrong' bay etc.

To me these 'parent and child' bays are just a gimmick and count for nothing.

Johno100

Iceweasel wrote: »

I think that many of the posters in this thread have never visited the MSE parking forum.

How can the disabled bays in private car parks such as supermarkets be enforceable when the info that comes with the blue disabled badge clearly states that they are only for use on-street and in council car-parks.

As a matter of principal I wouldn't park in a supermarket disabled bay anyway - but to my mind none of these private car parks in Scotland have enforceable charges against the keeper - not for overstaying, parking in the 'wrong' bay etc.

To me these 'parent and child' bays are just a gimmick and count for nothing.

Are you referring to enforcement by local authorities on private land?

If so, this explains it.

....local authorities have powers, under The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, to designate, by an order under The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (Scotland) Regulations 1999, spaces for parking facilities reserved for disabled people on private land with the agreement of the land owner. Such designation allows such parking facilities to be enforced by Police, traffic wardens or, in areas with decriminalised parking, car park attendants

https://www.gov.scot/Publications/2007/09/07155455/3

Iceweasel

Thanks for that Johno100

So how does one know which car parks have been so designated under the RTRA 1984 act and the Scottish Traffic Orders 1999 act?

unholyangel

From DPPPA:

36.Under section 32 of the 1984 Act a local authority has power to provide off-street parking places for the purpose of relieving or preventing congestion of traffic. Disabled parking places could be provided within such an off-street area. Section 33(4) of that Act allows a local authority to make arrangements with a private owner for the provision of parking places on such terms as it sees fit.

And 33(4) of the 1984 act (RTRA):

(4)A local authority may, on such terms as they think fit,—
(a)let land on which they could erect or adapt a building for the purpose of providing an off-street parking place with a view to its being provided by some other person, or
(b)arrange with any person for him to provide such a parking place on any land of which he is the owner or in which he has an interest.

unholyangel

Iceweasel wrote: »

Thanks for that Johno100

So how does one know which car parks have been so designated under the RTRA 1984 act and the Scottish Traffic Orders 1999 act?

You'd need to see if theres a TRO in place.

Its the same on any public road - they can't actually enforce it unless theres a TRO and compliant signage - which is another area supermarkets usually fall short in.

Car_54

Iceweasel wrote: »

Thanks for that Johno100

So how does one know which car parks have been so designated under the RTRA 1984 act and the Scottish Traffic Orders 1999 act?

Does one need to know? Just don't park in disabled spaces, unless you have a blue badge.

Johno100

Car_54 wrote: »

Does one need to know? Just don't park in disabled spaces, unless you have a blue badge.

But as Iceweasel quite rightly highlighted the Blue Badge scheme has no standing in private car parks and IMHO that is the case regardless of whether it's in Scotland and there is enforcement of the particular parking spaces under a TRO.

The provision of disabled parking spaces in private car parks is a requirement under the reasonable adjustment provisions of the Equalities Act 2010 (a UK wide piece of legislation). So anyone who meets the wider definition of disability as set out in the Equalities Act 2010 are quite entitled to use the disabled bays regardless of whether they have a Blue Badge or not.