No through road signs with cameras

martyp

Hi all,
I've now seen this twice and don't know really about any enforcement or really how best to deal with it.
On a supermarket it stated no through road to go through the supermarket car park to get from one road to another as the alternative was a long way round. Also Bristol Parkway station, signs saying private road and no through road but I drive in and stopped for about 10 minutes, got a ticket with my numberplate entered on the parking machine for the free 20 minutes but then left out the other side. At the supermarket they suggest as long as there is may be a 10 minute delay between the cameras on each side that suggests you did some shopping then you can go in one side and come out the other.
It just seems confusing as do those anpr cameras record all cars going through or record some kind of time to calculate if you stopped going through to park or shop?

agrinnall

I heard (anecdotally) that someone very recently received some sort of ticket from a supermarket near me for doing the same thing, which I do on occasions, but whether it's really true and how enforceable such a ticket would be I have no idea.

discat11

I had heard that Supermarket car parks were private land and things like directional signs and restrictions of specific parts only parking spaces were unenforceable - any truth in that?
If so then surely any 'fine' is unenforceable?

Car_54

Supermarkets etc. cannot issue fines. They can try to enforce penalties under civil law for breach of contract (parking), but not for things like driving the in wrong direction.



Signs and roadmarkings on private car parks cannot be enforced in themselves, but if the car park is a "public place", as many are, then the Road Traffic Act etc. applies and ignoring the arrows etc can be considered in criminal law as careless driving.


If in doubt, don't drive like a **** and you'll be all right.

martyp

I just never trust these anpr cameras they have in car parks all over the place. I parked in a restaurant car park next to a hotel and it said 5 hour limit but I was staying in the hotel and they took my car reg and said I'd be fine. Nothing mentioned on the signs about exclusions for the hotel. Also a pub I know started using the cameras and has a small display at the bar to enter your registration in to confirm as a customer but they don't tend to remind or tell people so dread to think how many people might get caught out.
I also heard about a lady who got a fine for apparently leaving the car park of a retail park as she wasn't shopping on the site.
I just dread the idea of these cameras being used for more 'offences' in these car parks than just parking restrictions.
I know people that park in a car park where there numberplates are registered for exemption and have received £100 fines despite this (Should be getting them cleared). It's just the potential fuss and hassle of contesting these if those parking camera companies start trying to fine for things.

Deastons

Car_54 wrote: »

Signs and roadmarkings on private car parks cannot be enforced in themselves,

So there's actually nothing my local Sainsbury's can do to stop all the able-bodied people I see parking in the disabled spaces? And the single people parking in the parent and child spaces?

Car_54

Deastons wrote: »

So there's actually nothing my local Sainsbury's can do to stop all the able-bodied people I see parking in the disabled spaces? And the single people parking in the parent and child spaces?

I imagine they could include those in the terms and conditions for parking, but the signs would need to be bigger.;)

Apodemus

Car_54 wrote: »

I imagine they could include those in the terms and conditions for parking, but the signs would need to be bigger.;)

In Scotland, supermarkets (and indeed all private car parks) can work with their local authority to have a Traffic Regulation Order put in place, which makes the Disable Bays enforceable and I would imagine there will be similar provisions in the relevant Acts in the rest of UK.

Deastons

Car_54 wrote: »

I imagine they could include those in the terms and conditions for parking, but the signs would need to be bigger.;)

I don't understand. If a sign says "No through road" but it's not enforceable, surely a sign that says "Disabled parking only" is also not enforceable?

And I can't believe "Parent and Child Parking Only" would ever be enforceable. Ridiculous idea.

prowla

Deastons wrote: »

I don't understand. If a sign says "No through road" but it's not enforceable, surely a sign that says "Disabled parking only" is also not enforceable?

And I can't believe "Parent and Child Parking Only" would ever be enforceable. Ridiculous idea.

I would say that parent & child spaces have a number of useful purposes:

1. Allowing kiddies to get out of cars safely, rather than into the path of other cars.
2. Having a bit more space so that opening doors don't bang into adjacent cars.
3. Having space for parents to get small kiddies out of the car, rather than squeezing through a narrow half-open door.
4. Giving space for parents to set up buggies and get their kiddies into them without holding up other car park users.
5. Not requiring kids to cross roadways.

So I view them as a courtesy and am happy to lave them to their intended purpose.


It's generally quite funny how people try and get as near to the given establishment's entrance to save having to walk too far (I used to do it too!); this is especially amusing at a gym or sports centre, where they're generally going there to burn up some energy.

Johno100

Apodemus wrote: »

In Scotland, supermarkets (and indeed all private car parks) can work with their local authority to have a Traffic Regulation Order put in place, which makes the Disable Bays enforceable and I would imagine there will be similar provisions in the relevant Acts in the rest of UK.

Nope that is unique to Scotland and I'm not sure how widely that provision is used. I'd imagine the private parking companies wouldn't be too keen on the idea as they wouldn't be able to generate any revenue by enforcement.

Deastons wrote: »

I don't understand. If a sign says "No through road" but it's not enforceable, surely a sign that says "Disabled parking only" is also not enforceable?

And I can't believe "Parent and Child Parking Only" would ever be enforceable. Ridiculous idea.

Theoretically enforceable in the civil courts as in any breach of the terms and conditions of the contract formed to park there.

But of course driving down a no through road is not parking and the parking company are on extremely thin ground obtaining keeper details from the DVLA for a non-parking event.