Millenium parking woes

Loadsofchildren123

Redx wrote: »

the icons are different depending which services they use, one is a roundel , the other is a circle , which you will see on the MPS website and it says Accredited Ipc Operator within that roundel, so they are accredited by the IPC

Redx means one is a RECTANGLE and the other is a circle (also referred to as a roundel).


Rectangle saying member of BPA = meaningless.
Roundel/circle saying accredited member of BPA/IPC is what matters.


The point is that you can be a member of both, but you can only be an ACCREDITED member of one. The one you are an accredited member of you then comply with their code of practice.


Millenium used to be BPA accredited. They switched to IPC. In my case I saw that they were still displaying the BPA roundel on their website and signage. I reported it to BPA at the time because the roundel should have been removed when they ceased to be members.


Millenium were chucked off the Copper Quarter development in Swansea for targeting residents who had a right to park. I see your car was parked at a development - does it belong to a resident? This is a bit of a game changer if it does.

Loadsofchildren123

There's a local facebook Millenium support page
Copper Quarter And Swansea Vs Millenium Door And Security Group LTD
I'm sure they'll let you join, even if you're from Cardiff (just don't mention the premier league). I wouldn't say it's a fantastic resource, this forum is much better, but there are some people on there with good knowledge and experience of Millenium.

Westcoastbeard

Thanks all. I appreciate your time and responses.. LOC123 I will ask Millennium for the landowner contract and follow up with that route.
My argument is based on the fact I was parked outside of the gated housing area they control, and the signs seem to suggest entering this area will form a contract (hence why I elected to park outside the area).

I'll be back if I have anything new to report!

Westcoastbeard

It was my car.. and we had just driven 8 hours from Scotland to visit family who live in the gated area. On advice from the father in law (owing to the fact he didn't have a visitor pass available for me) The car was moved the car outside the gates, and away from the residents parking areas. Still got a ticket. :think:

Loadsofchildren123

Also check with the local council if where you were parked was public highway, if it was outside the gated area.


If you bombard Millenium now they may go away. Make a plan showing the area, where the gates are, where you were parked, where the entrance sign was at the gates and what it said. When they reply with the landowner contract, write back and point out that clause in it, and enclose your plan saying your car wasn't parked on the land on which they are authorised to operate.


Ask them for the documents and say that they cannot expect you to make a proper appeal without you being in receipt of all the relevant facts and paperwork.


If the driver isn't identified, keep referring to yourself as RK. You should also argue that they can't identify the driver and that you cannot be liable under POFA as the RK because they served the NtK out of time (did they? If no windscreen ticket they have to serve it within 14 days, in the case of a windscreen ticket they have to serve it, I think, between days 29 and 56 after the parking event)

Loadsofchildren123

Sorry, cross post.
Are you sure the ticket wasn't given when you were still inside?
Have you identified who was driving - it could have been either of you couldn't it? Also, if ticket given outside the gates who moved the car, you or wife? You may have identified the wrong driver even if you've purported to identify who was driving....

Le_Kirk

Westcoastbeard wrote: »

On advice from the father in law (owing to the fact he didn't have a visitor pass available for me) The car was moved [STRIKE]the car [/STRIKE]outside the gates, and away from the residents parking areas. Still got a ticket.

Was it therefore at some point inside the gates?

Loadsofchildren123

Was it a windscreen or postal ticket?

Loadsofchildren123

Check what the ticket says carefully. I suspect that it was given to you outside, but relates to when you were inside.


Not sure if a ticket can be given like that when you've already gone from the carpark. Anyone?

Castle

Loadsofchildren123 wrote: »

Check what the ticket says carefully. I suspect that it was given to you outside, but relates to when you were inside.


Not sure if a ticket can be given like that when you've already gone from the carpark. Anyone?

It can't as paragraph 7 section (4) (POFA2012) states;-
"The notice must be given—
(a)before the vehicle is removed from the relevant land after the end of the period of parking to which the notice relates, and
(b)while the vehicle is stationary,
by affixing it to the vehicle or by handing it to a person appearing to be in charge of the vehicle"