PCN with PE Stage 1 - Should I include photographs at this stage or examples?

PEripoffs

OK I'll call them today. They are attached PDF files and it's a small car park if that would make a difference

PEripoffs

Ok rung POPLA that is everything - 38 page document is all they have received. Happy to share it with you directly if you want to see it?

Coupon-mad

No we've seen it all before thanks; you just need to pick holes in the evidence.

Search POPLA comments (ADVANCED, SHOW POSTS) and read some done before.

PEripoffs

Thanks Coupon, I have already read a lot of posts with POPLA comments on which I used to generate my points on the previous post, copied and pasted here for ease of reference:

1. There is no evidence of any contract between the landowner and Parking Eye - Parking Eye are not the owners of this land and as such they cannot form a contract with the driver.

2. Parking Eye have provided a map of signs however as demonstrated by the photographs I have provided, these signs were damaged or missing. It was not possible for the driver to be able to read the signs due to the photographed damage and as a result no contract could be formed

3. Parking Eye State: "The signage at this site demonstrates adequate colour contrast between the text and the backgrounds advised in the BPA Code of Practice, you will note the colour contrast at this site is black text on white background"

however as the images provided demonstrate this isn't true, some of it is in grey, some in green and the bit with the actual charge on is white on black.
The images they have provided, which Parking Eye have complete control of, clearly demonstrate that the majority of the text is actually unreadable even when it is printed onto an A4 piece of paper.

The signs have been proven in court previously to be inadequate

4. Parking Eye claim that "there are signs situated at the entrance, exit and throughout the car park" - The signage plan that they have provided shows that this is not true, there are no signs at the exit which would be facing the direction of the driver.

The signage map provided proves there are areas where no signs are visible from the location parked.

5. Parking Eye state "You have stated that you do not believe that the Parking Charge amount is a pre-estimation of loss, or that it is extravagant, unfair or unreasonable"

However I have made no such statement, Parking Eye appear to have copied and pasted their comments from another document which is irrelevant to the evidence I have provided, they have failed to address the majority of the points I raised.


nosferatu1001 initially said it was too waffley so I tried to trim it down but the comments I originally looked at were significantly longer, I am concerned I am going in the wrong direction here.

Some comments I have pulled from:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/69765991#Comment_69765991
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/69778312#Comment_69778312
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/74796469#Comment_74796469

Coupon-mad

1. There is no evidence of any contract between the landowner and Parking Eye - Parking Eye are not the owners of this land and as such they cannot form a contract with the driver.

You win then!

You only have 2000 characters so do a character count (Google it). And if need be, change full sentences to shorter points without the waffle.

PEripoffs

It's about 1900, do you think this is ok to submit as comments then? I feel like I am stealing tons of your time but I know I only get one shot at this!

Coupon-mad

Yes - you'll win anyway with no contract or witness statement from the landowner!

PEripoffs

Ok brilliant, submitted!

I will come back with the result.

This was part of 2 and it looks like the other one has no evidence submitted against it, nothing was submitted and then on the 22nd day suddenly jumped to decision stage with submitted date of evidence of 2001 - I am just confirming with POPLA that this is the case.

EDIT: Confirmed with POPLA that for the second PCN there was no evidence submitted by Parking Eye, so should win that one too

PEripoffs

Popla found in my favour for both PCN's

Coupon-mad

As expected - but as always, we love hearing these outcomes. Well done!