PCN with PE Stage 1 - Should I include photographs at this stage or examples?

PEripoffs

Hi Guys,

So myself and one other person got PCN's from Parking Eye, a bit of research shows that it seems to be a fairly common area for them to try this with two news articles on successful appeals against PE for inadequate signage.

A quick look on Google indicates there are no signs about it being a parking fine area at the entrance (last updated 2017) but I intend to go tonight to get some photographs myself prior to the appeal.

My question is should I include these photographs and the two articles demonstrating that the signage is not considered appropriate at the first appeal stage or should I wait for the inevitable rejection and submit them at the POPLA stage?

Kind regards

Umkomaas

Leave until you appeal to POPLA.

PEripoffs

Thanks, with there being two of us would it be wise to provide witness statements for each other at the POPLA stage?

I know I am jumping ahead here but just preparing

Coupon-mad

Yes it won't hurt.

Do you both have PCNs with the POFA paragraph on the back, not 'Golden Tickets'?

PEripoffs

Sorry didn't get a notification that I had a response - Yes we do, both have appealed using the text, one of us has just got a response letter with POPLA number, think another is likely on it's way.

I have taken photos of the carpark and I was slightly surprised to discover there were a number of signs, however I did take a photo of a large sign that was extremely damaged which clearly had some text on it indicating the parking was paid.

In addition the signs are at the same level as the trees which grow around there which can completely obscure the signs from certain angles - not to mention they are the usual extremely unclear ones that Parking Eye seem to use deliberately to try and collect fines.

Finally I am looking at the images provided and I am not convinced that the car actually stopped - there is a central section which it looks like the car is driving around to turn around. They haven't actually provided any evidence of the car parking in a bay

PEripoffs

Hi Guys,

So I have started putting together my POPLA document (docs.google.com/document/d/1MhLqDLcHzgRf8TJdQDtW4d_1udlKZaUEdLywlab3rh4/edit?usp=sharing), I have been amending points other people have previously used with my own information (highlighted in blue) but there are two things I wanted to clarify:

1. What should my witness statement say - so there was someone who was in the exact area willing to give a statement on the fact they didn't see any signs where the car was parked & also that the signs were heavily damaged at the entrance. If it matters this person isn't related to me.

2. There is at least one previous case at this exact parking lot where in court it was argued in court and was found in favour of the motorist, ParkingEye lost.

3. There are other people publicly leaving reviews for the business where they have also been sent a PCN - does this support my argument further? (can be viewed on trip advisor)

4.The images seem to suggest the car was turning around (the angle the car is at is very odd), I did request further images as per the statement on the newbies post but unsurprisingly these have not been provided.

Also just a little note to say thank you for all you guys helping out here, it's massively appreciated!

Le_Kirk

Are you compiling a POPLA appeal or a Defence and Witness statement, which generally come later in the process. If POPLA, just search for successful POPLA appeals from here.

Redx

send them an SAR under the new GDPR, giving them 30 days to respond, its the law , use it

tboo

If this POPLA appeal is in relation to your other thread

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5884366/pcn-with-pe-stage-1-should-i-include-photographs-at-this-stage-or-examples

then I suggest you merge this thread into it

PEripoffs

I am now at the POPLA stage - please see this thread : forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5890916

nosferatu1001

Why have you started a new thread? When all the info is here?
Stop replying to that thread and continue here.