Why Are The Lazy English Not Picking Our Fruits And Vegetables?

ukcarper

Nasqueron wrote: »

I'm not in any way in favour of a hard Brexit but I should point out that in Australia and New Zealand (both of which I have visited and travelled in and worked in the former) they offer working holiday visas where people can come from places like the UK and do 3 month stints at places over the course of a year. Now not to say Aussie students would want to come here and pick fruit vs Brits going to sunny Australia but it might be possible if you do these visas for enough countries. The problem as ever is the hardcore racist element of Leave (post vote survey from Lord Ashcroft showed around 1/3 of leave voters did so primarily for immigration reason) that doesn't want foreigners (particularly non-white ones) in the UK full stop who don't understand the impact of stopping immigration.

You don't have to be a racist to be opposed to unrestricted immigration.

mgdavid

silverwhistle wrote: »

...... and if you are in a single language grouping out in the fields and glasshouses .........

Now you're the one making huge presumptions..

Herzlos

mgdavid wrote: »

Now you're the one making huge presumptions..

Well we know that (a) British people don't want the jobs and (b) people seem happy to source the workers from further afield. That means that (a) a lot of the workers aren't native English speakers and (b) the further away they are from English speaking countries, the less likely they are to be fluent in English.


It's also likely that these mobile working crews will probably self-select into 1 or 2 common languages, currently likely to be something like Romanian.


I too did wonder what kind of gap year experience you'd get stuck in a foreign field and staying in a caravan. You can probably have fun when you're off shift, but you're going to be spending a lot of time travelling, working or with the same crew.
At least if you work in a restaurant, hotel or bar you'll be talking to locals/tourists and experiencing a bit more of the culture. Whilst probably working better hours in better conditions for better money.


I'd be all for some dole scheme where benefits claimants can top-up their income with casual farm work, or even have some additional incentives to do so. It'll either encourage them to do work, or it'll give them cash to pump back into the economy.

kabayiri

Nasqueron wrote: »

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The problem as ever is the hardcore racist element of Leave (post vote survey from Lord Ashcroft showed around 1/3 of leave voters did so primarily for immigration reason) that doesn't want foreigners (particularly non-white ones) in the UK full stop who don't understand the impact of stopping immigration.

Plenty of Asian descent voters chose to vote Leave. This is reflected in the figures from those areas with high percentages of people from that background.

Some were quite vocal. They don't feel the Eastern Europeans fit in.

Are they racist too? Or maybe protecting their jobs (I favour the latter explanation)

Pixie5740

kabayiri wrote: »

Plenty of Asian descent voters chose to vote Leave. This is reflected in the figures from those areas with high percentages of people from that background.

Some were quite vocal. They don't feel the Eastern Europeans fit in.

Are they racist too? Or maybe protecting their jobs (I favour the latter explanation)

I remember watching an episode of Question Time in the lead up to the referendum and a Bangladeshi man in the audience was in the Leave camp because he thought that EU migrants were taking jobs that could go to Commonwealth migrants. Diane Abbott replied with something along the lines of, "do you really think that those who don't want EU migrants coming to work in the EU will want Commonwealth migrants instead?" I think it's the one and only time I have agreed with something Dianne Abbott has said.

lisyloo

I'd be all for some dole scheme where benefits claimants can top-up their income with casual farm work, or even have some additional incentives to do so. It'll either encourage them to do work, or it'll give them cash to pump back into the economy.

I don't have any issue with it, but the long-term unemployed i.e. the ones who aren't just in-between jobs, often have some kind of issue e.g. health issue, child care issue and are often not the cream of the crop when it comes to a hard physical job.

PokerPlayer111

HPC_Ghuol_Hunter wrote: »

Still not many answers as to why the lazy Brits are not picking up the slack, and why fruit and vegetables are being left to rot in UK fields.

Provided they are physically capable then reason for laziness =



1.)Mental health
2.)Not wanting to be someone elses slave


Its hard to believe deep down people dont want to be productive.

lisyloo

Provided they are physically capable then reason for laziness =

It's not quite as simple as that.
Would you want to employ a single parent who has to leave early to pick up the kids from school?
Or a single parent who's frequently taking time off every time their kids are ill or have an in-service day?


Or would you rather employ a fit, romanian with no ties?

lisyloo

According to reports we're at as near to full employment as you can get.

Some would say the figures hide a number who are employed in the "gig" economy on low unsecure wages.


That doesn't mean they are lazy though, they could be unable to work fruit picking hours due to child care for example.


I would change lazy for unsuitable - which would cover health, child care, addictions, general unemployability, but agree we are scraping the bottom of the barrel.


Some of those in the unemployment figures are merely in between jobs, some of the others have restrictions (like child care) and some of the others are totally unemployable e.g. addictions.

PokerPlayer111

lisyloo wrote: »

It's not quite as simple as that.
Would you want to employ a single parent who has to leave early to pick up the kids from school?
Or a single parent who's frequently taking time off every time their kids are ill or have an in-service day?


Or would you rather employ a fit, romanian with no ties?

So brits are also lazy because they will be refused work vs eastern europeans ?