When is a vehicle over 2.2m not a vehicle over 2.2m

marlot

Herzlos wrote: »

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No-one would honestly expect you to stop on the road, remove the kayak, go under the barrier and then re-attach the kayak - that'd block the road for easily 10 minutes.

And if there's only the driver, may not even be possible. I don't know if its a two-person job?

unforeseen

Car_54 wrote: »

So with what offence will you be charged?

No idea. OP said it was still criminalised. Not all parking has been decriminalised.

According to gov.uk though Gosport IS decriminalsed

Jackmydad

AdrianC wrote: »

C. Park elsewhere.

Agreed. Somewhere else other than Gosport.
They want draconian rules, they can do them without my involvement as a paying customer.

AndyMc.....

unforeseen wrote: »

No idea. OP said it was still criminalised. Not all parking has been decriminalised.

According to gov.uk though Gosport IS decriminalsed

So it won't go to Magistrates court.

Rover_Driver

According to the OP's first post, the council have issued a PCN, which is a civil matter.
Sch.7 (4)(d) of the Traffic Management Act 2004 authorises PCN's to be issued and the matter dealt with as civil for incidents involving s.35A, Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984.

System

As far as the law is concerned the height of the vehicle includes the load as does the width and the length of a vehicle includes any attached trailer or load.

AndyMc.....

Tarambor wrote: »

As far as the law is concerned the height of the vehicle includes the load as does the width and the length of a vehicle includes any attached trailer or load.

What law are you referring to, Con and Use?

Height

9.—(1) The overall height of a bus shall not exceed 4.57 m.

(2) Save as provided in paragraph (3), no person shall use or cause or permit to be used on a road any semi-trailer if—

(a)any part of the structure of the vehicle is more than 4.2 m from the ground when the vehicle is on level ground; and
(b)the total laden weight of the semi-trailer and the vehicle by which it is drawn exceeds 32,520 kg.
(3) For the purpose of paragraph (2) the structure of a vehicle includes any detachable structure attached to the vehicle for the purpose of containing any load, but does not include any load which is not a detachable structure or any sheeting or other readily flexible means of covering or securing a load.

The provisions of paragraph (2) do not apply in respect of any vehicle while it is being loaded or unloaded.

neilmcl

unforeseen wrote: »

No idea. OP said it was still criminalised. Not all parking has been decriminalised.

According to gov.uk though Gosport IS decriminalsed

Is it, link?

System

AndyMc..... wrote: »

What law are you referring to, Con and Use?

As a lorry driver the dimensions of my vehicle are determined by the load on it if it isn't contained within the dimensions of the load carrying portion of the vehicle, I expect the same laws apply to cars as pretty much everything in this area does. If you're towing, whether its a lorry or a car the length of your vehicle is from the front of the towing vehicle to the rear of the trailer as the trailer is now classed as being the rear of the vehicle to the point that if you had no rear lights working on your car or no rear numberplate on it as long as those were present and working on the trailer you're still legal.

(2) Save as provided in paragraph (3), no person shall use or cause or permit to be used on a road any semi-trailer if!!!8212;

(a)any part of the structure of the vehicle is more than 4.2 m from the ground when the vehicle is on level ground

Is incorrect and has been for many years, at least since the turn of the century and possibly earlier so I don't know what your source is. Pallet networks are now using 16ft 3in/4.95m trailers and have been for well over a decade. I was towing double deck fridge trailers in 2000 and no abnormal load requirements. You'll have noticed trailers looking like these on motorways in various liveries?

The provisions of paragraph (2) do not apply in respect of any vehicle while it is being loaded or unloaded.

That part means whilst you're taking off the load or putting it on the vehicle, not driving down the road with it.

AndyMc.....

Tarambor wrote: »

As a lorry driver the dimensions of my vehicle are determined by the load on it if it isn't contained within the dimensions of the load carrying portion of the vehicle, I expect the same laws apply to cars as pretty much everything in this area does. If you're towing, whether its a lorry or a car the length of your vehicle is from the front of the towing vehicle to the rear of the trailer as the trailer is now classed as being the rear of the vehicle to the point that if you had no rear lights working on your car or no rear numberplate on it as long as those were present and working on the trailer you're still legal.


Is incorrect and has been for many years, at least since the turn of the century and possibly earlier so I don't know what your source is. Pallet networks are now using 16ft 3in/4.95m trailers and have been for well over a decade. I was towing double deck fridge trailers in 2000 and no abnormal load requirements.


That part means whilst you're taking off the load or putting it on the vehicle, not driving down the road with it.

That what the Con and Use Regs say.

Maybe you should post a link to your law.