Short term contract as opposed to temp working? NHS

KiKi

[quote=[Deleted User];discussion/5873316]Must admit I'm not a fan of short term contracts - worst of both worlds IMHO. Same pay yet often none of the advantages of being permanent.[/quote]

The only difference is that the contract has an end date - all the other advantages are usually the same, unless there's a good business reason not to. AFAIK, NHS FTCs are the same as perms except with an end date.

Wife is currently a nurse. She does "Bank" shifts. Plenty of flexibility- you can work when you want so its easier for childcare. You do get accrued leave also so don't lose out there.

Negatives are pay is no more than a normal perm (dont get me started on that one!) and no sick pay. No shift no pay basically. And the admin side with timesheets/booking codes can be hassle.

So, your choice is benefits vs flexibility. Which is more important to you and your wife? Personally, I'd pick the benefits - sick pay, pension, easier to get a permanent job once you're in there... However, if you'd prefer the convenience of saying no to shifts when you want to go on holiday then that's your answer!

FTR, short term contract terms are, in effect, no better or worse than perm contracts when you have under two years' service anyway. The T&Cs are (almost always) the same, you have the same employment rights - the only usual difference is that there's an end date in the contract.

Comms69

GreenTreen123 wrote: »

As I can!!!8217;t quote you Comms I was talking about my housemates experience as an agency nurse, not a bank nurse.

And I made a valid point about sick.

So how did this comment relate to the OP:
Working more then 12 weeks she will have the same rights as everyone else.


You could actually be a helpful member, if you bother to learn before you posted. Or atleast acknowledged mistakes and learnt from them.


the reason it's frustrating is because you tend to post what people want to hear, which then makes it an uphill battle to give correct info to them.


Saying she'll have the same rights as everyone else after 12 weeks isn't even true. She doesn't get that until she's worked somewhere for 2 years and has employment protection rights. Which don't mean much on a zero hours contract anyway.


You're learning snippets of things, but not how they fit together and that's not good for people looking for real help.

Comms69

KiKi wrote: »

The only difference is that the contract has an end date - all the other advantages are usually the same, unless there's a good business reason not to. AFAIK, NHS FTCs are the same as perms except with an end date.



So, your choice is benefits vs flexibility. Which is more important to you and your wife? Personally, I'd pick the benefits - sick pay, pension, easier to get a permanent job once you're in there... However, if you'd prefer the convenience of saying no to shifts when you want to go on holiday then that's your answer!

FTR, short term contract terms are, in effect, no better or worse than perm contracts when you have under two years' service anyway. The T&Cs are (almost always) the same, you have the same employment rights - the only usual difference is that there's an end date in the contract.

A fixed term with the NHS of more than 2 years is fantastic for people looking to move jobs often. two months reduandancy pay is pretty nice everytime you swap jobs

sangie595

I'll just point out that if someone is an NHS bank worker, then they do not have agency worker rights, 12 weeks or 112. Agency worker rights do not apply to in house "agencies". Because they aren't agencies....

sangie595

GreenTreen123 wrote: »

Working more then 12 weeks she will have the same rights as everyone else.

GreenTreen123 wrote: »

Just another forum bully, you don!!!8217;t like someone else having knowledge and sharing it.

But your first statement here is wrong. She doesn't have the same rights as everyone else because she's a bank worker not an agency worker. So I think you'll find that the objection was more to do with your lack of knowledge and sharing incorrect information.

Andy_L

Comms69 wrote: »

A fixed term with the NHS of more than 2 years is fantastic for people looking to move jobs often. two months reduandancy pay is pretty nice everytime you swap jobs

I've never seen an NHS FTC that goes over the 2 year mark for just that reason.

Comms69

Andy_L wrote: »

I've never seen an NHS FTC that goes over the 2 year mark for just that reason.

Well I didn't have 1 4 year contract, but 1x 24 month and 2x 12 month, all running consecutively. - 4 months pay - TYVM

Rumana03

I've worked on Staff Bank and the pay was actually more than what I got as a permanent staff member. I think at the time the perm staff were on like between £8-£9 an hour and Staff Bank was paying £10 an hour. I am referring to admin staff though so I don't know what the difference would be for nurses.
The downside to working for staff bank is that you won't get sick pay. Another issue is that you can only book holiday once you have accrued enough.

GreenTreen123

New sentences that you!!!8217;ve put together thinking they were the same theme

GreenTreen123

@comms https://www.gov.uk/agency-workers-your-rights/your-rights-as-a-temporary-agency-worker