Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

andrewf75

mayonnaise wrote: »

Once more : Labour's tests are based on Tory promises

They are but what would Labour do differently?

They probably couldn't do any worse, but I see no evidence that they have a different plan.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Labour's tests ARE DESIGNED TO FAIL.

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?
4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?
5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

Number 6 is the crux, Scotland will never be happy with it, that is their get-out clause.

Corbyn is using it as a vehicle to attempt to force a GE, he sees it as his one and only chance, he is playing politics with the future of the country.

They seem like pretty reasonable tests to me. Westminster ignores Holyrood at the best of times, so I'm pretty sure they won't ask Scotland if the deal works for Scotland. Scottish Labour is almost non-existent now.




What tests would you have to determine if we should go ahead?

Lungboy

ukcarper wrote: »

Have you got any links to what the Tories actually said as I can't find any.

http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Theresa-Mays-failed-Brexit-plan-STRICTLY-EMBARGOED-UNTIL-2230-Monday-24-September.pdf

kabayiri

There is a plan on the table. It's the default terms exit.

Everybody knows this, but they are unwilling to acknowledge the consequences.

The UK should have been spending billions on preparing for this scenario for the last few years.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

The UK should have been spending billions on preparing for this scenario for the last few years.

While politicians sit around whinging and clueless. Business has quietly got on with the task in hand.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

While politicians sit around whinging and clueless. Business has quietly got on with the task in hand.

Making plans to relocate some of their operations outside the UK ?

I'm still not sure what kind of exit agreement is going to get through this parliament.

Labour will be whipped to vote agaisnt any deal, ostensibly because they don't meet their 6 tests (which as others have said are designed never to be met), in reality it keeps the pressure on May.

So May is left finding something that she can pass which means getting almost complete support from all branches of the Conservative party, the DUP and handful of Labour rebels.

Good luck with that, she will need it.

If Parliament can't agree anything I don't see any other options apart from either a second GE (which is Labour's goal, but why would the tories agree with polling where it is at present), or a referendum (either including or excluding Remain as an option) to push the decision back to the people and out of a deadlocked Parliament.

cogito

Even if it gets through parliament, Verhofstadt will make sure that MEPs kick it out.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

While politicians sit around whinging and clueless. Business has quietly got on with the task in hand.

Indeed.

There was a bakery producer on the radio the other day.

He said that they would have to shift to more raw materials from places like the USA.

The interviewer (BBC) was surprised, automatically assuming that the foodstuffs had to be fresh.

"No, a lot of it is frozen, and can be shipped". He confirmed.

This is a BBC interviewer, who has done plenty of these Brexit Impact discussions, who should have arguably known more.

We actually import baguettes into this country, when there is no technical reason whatsoever that we can not produce them here. You'd never know this, of course, listening to airheads like Emily Thornberry.

movilogo

Labour's tests ARE DESIGNED TO FAIL.

Because their tests are designed to satisfy everyone and hence they would end up satisfying no one.

Filo25

kabayiri wrote: »

Indeed.

There was a bakery producer on the radio the other day.

He said that they would have to shift to more raw materials from places like the USA.

The interviewer (BBC) was surprised, automatically assuming that the foodstuffs had to be fresh.

"No, a lot of it is frozen, and can be shipped". He confirmed.

This is a BBC interviewer, who has done plenty of these Brexit Impact discussions, who should have arguably known more.

We actually import baguettes into this country, when there is no technical reason whatsoever that we can not produce them here. You'd never know this, of course, listening to airheads like Emily Thornberry.

I was at a crowdfunding presentation earlier this week, a small but rapidly growing craft brewing business that is looking to invest in expansion, instead it is now having to tie up more of its cash in working capital by stockpiling 4 months worth of hops usage in case of any disruption to supply, so yes they are adapting but it isn't costless by any means.