Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

melanzana

The deal might mean that The DUP will be absolved of scrutiny for the Cash for Ash scandal that Snarlene was into up to her armpits, and other stuff associated with the troubles.

Paid off.

Thrugelmir

Joan_Number_1 wrote: »

Numbers in work up too though (and by more than the increase in number of unemployed) plus a record number of vacancies. So still not bad news by any stretch.

Vacancies suggests some shortage of those with appropriate skills.

154,000 Eastern Europeans left the UK.

Top line figures hide a multitude of factors. Contraction in retail sector (shops, restaurants etc) will hit lower skilled individuals.

Be interesting to see what it's like as the fog lifts.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

There is also growing EU membership concern about the adoption by the EU of the UN-driven Marrakesh Declaration which basically turns all migrants into refugees with almost certain asylum status, bans deportation and legalizes any migrant who has successfully crossed your border, thus illegal immigrants become legal.

The EU is furious that Hungary has refused to sign up to it and other eastern members are considering following suit.

When you have NGO's like Advocates Abroad teaching people how to act like someone requiring asylum, then anything is possible.

Check this out :-
https://youtu.be/K4XhLiiu0is

I'd take any stats of the number of Christians coming through Lesbos with a huge pinch of salt.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If there's little chance of a General Election then might as well, simply abstain. Voting against results in a hard Brexit. Somewhat unlikely that the terms that Labour have set out as conditions of a deal are any more agreeable to the EU. Bottom line is there has to be compromise on some aspects. Impossible for everybody to like everything.

There's nothing inherent in turning down this deal that leads automatically to hard Brexit. Labour will just try to force the government to look for more radical solutions to get something passed if they can't get their deal through. There certainly isn't a parliamentary majority for no deal either.

Personally if nothing can get passed in Parliament I think a further referendum is more likely than another GE, although there is no guarantee that ref would include an option to Remain.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Labour will just try to force the government to look for more radical solutions to get something passed if they can't get their deal through.

This is a complex negotiated settlement after hours of discussion with know doubt lots of horse trading. Labours tests are designed to fail. As wouldn't meet EU criteria either. Therefore not a basis for renegotiation. Best guess is that Labour want the current plan to fail. Demand a General election. Win it. The Uk exits. Labour negotiate on their terms, i.e. take it or leave it.

Lungboy

Labours tests are based on Tory promises, so if they're designed to fail then it's the Tories to blame.

Enterprise_1701C

Labour's tests ARE DESIGNED TO FAIL.

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?
4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?
5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

Number 6 is the crux, Scotland will never be happy with it, that is their get-out clause.

Corbyn is using it as a vehicle to attempt to force a GE, he sees it as his one and only chance, he is playing politics with the future of the country.

Thrugelmir

Lungboy wrote: »

Labours tests are based on Tory promises, so if they're designed to fail then it's the Tories to blame.

Where has been Labour been the past 18 months? Little more than sniping at the Government. No constructive input. Often negative campaigning turns people off. Dogma is a trade mark of Labour of old.

Lungboy

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Labour's tests ARE DESIGNED TO FAIL.

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?
4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?
5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

Number 6 is the crux, Scotland will never be happy with it, that is their get-out clause.

That doesn't change the fact that all 6 were based on direct quotes from May or Davis on what Brexit would deliver.

Test six: Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

“A stronger Britain demands that we do something else – strengthen the precious union between the four nations of the United Kingdom.”

and

“Will the deal deliver for all regions and nations of the UK? We have been very
clear that we are taking all nations and regions into account.”

ukcarper

mayonnaise wrote: »

Once more : Labour's tests are based on Tory promises

Have you got any links to what the Tories actually said as I can't find any.