Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

phillw

antrobus wrote: »

You could say the same about any electoral test.

Exactly, which is why we hold new elections every four years. Even though it disrespects the vote four years earlier.

antrobus wrote: »

In any case, there isn't going to be a second referendum, so it don't really matter.

And there isn't going to be a good deal, or £350 million a week to the NHS & the only reason immigrants will stop coming, is because it would be economic suicide to come to the UK. That doesn't matter either.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Exactly, which is why we hold new elections every four years. Even though it disrespects the vote four years earlier.

In the UK it's 5 years.

At least we can kick the politicians out. Not be faced with no control over our own destiny.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

At least we can kick the politicians out. Not be faced with no control over our own destiny.

Right, you can choose between two sets of people who will screw you over & half the country will keep the party in control that screws you over more than them.

That is why the EU was a much better system. The politicians had much less ability to screw you over, which will become brutally obvious to you.

You don't really have any control over your destiny at that level, you can choose to leave the country or stay and put up with it. Although you've just voted to make it harder to go to move to another country as well.

Anyone who voted to leave the EU to take back control should just have gotten councilling instead. It would have saved us a ton of money. You don't need to control things.

mrginge

Poor old Phil really does hate leave voters with a passion.

ukcarper

mrginge wrote: »

Poor old Phil really does hate leave voters with a passion.

Views seem pretty polarised on here from both sides, the truth is probably somewhere in between.

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

We send the EU £350 million a week.
Let's fund the NHS instead.

That's the wording, which is fully in keeping with modern advertising standards. If you took that at face value (or rather, you joined the dots over optimistically) you've also probably been taken in by your last mobile or broadband contract too.

Like most MSEers, I don't take anything written in big letters on a hoarding at face value, always dig deeper. I didn't take that advert at face value and I didn't vote remain.

Can you explain how a false statement (350m/week) coupled with a suggestion with 0 chance of success, is not misleading?

If it was "we send a lot of money to the EU, let's put some of it towards the NHS instead" might make it past the advertising watchdog, because it's not actually incorrect.

buglawton

Misleading if you incorrectly join the dots, like most advertising in the world. I've a feeling I'm repeating myself.

ben501

mumf wrote: »

Brexit was going to give the NHS 350 Million quid a week,from day one.I saw it on the side of the Brexit bus.It must be true.

Enterprise_1701C

Leave lies:

Nick Clegg said that the claim of plans of the eu to create an army were "a dangerous fantasy". About 3 months after the referendum Juncker had proposed an eu army

3 million people in the UK will lose their jobs if we voted Leave. However, in July the claimant count fell by 8,600 to 763,600, despite an expected rise of 9,500. Another lie.

That the EU keeps the cost of food imported from the EU down. Lie. The exchange rate of euro and pound has NO connection with membership, but is purely speculative and arbitrary. This is obvious when you notice, as I did, that the SAME French lager bought in a UK Lidl is STILL cheaper than in a French Lidl, even though UK employees get paid more per hour, and have a completely free state health service. And even if imports do become more expensive, as long as there is free trade, this would mean more exports for UK manufacturers, and more UK sourced food for UK consumers.

That the EU keeps “Europe free from nationalism”. Lie. There is a SIMPLE reason why NATIONALISTS can take advantage of their state’s membership in the EU, that INSISTS on creating GHETTOES in the “banlieu”, all speaking their “own language”, instead of communities, in a commonwealth, all speaking the SAME language. There is a SIMPLE reason why the Scottish Nationalists, that want to keep the pound outside of the UK, but now to adopt the euro,inside the EU, like the EU. Racist nationalists like the EU - when it serves their SELFISH interests. That is why the Irish would PREFER that Amazon does not pay any income tax on the profits made in the UK, because it benefits THEM, and they don’t care about anyone else.

“And there are almost as many Brits living elsewhere in the EU as there are other EU nationals in Britain.” At the time of this statement There was around 3.2 million citizens of the remaining 27 Member States (EU-27) resident in the United Kingdom and 1.2 million citizens of the United Kingdom (‘UK citizens’) resident in the EU-27.

Brexit will destroy Western civilization as we know it
What was said: European Council President Donald Tusk said a vote to leave the EU would boost anti-European forces. “As a historian I fear Brexit could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also Western political civilization in its entirety,” he told the German newspaper Bild.

I just can't be bothered to go and find the many more that exist.
What happened: Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte defeated anti-EU populist Geert Wilders in the Netherlands’ parliamentary election and far-right leader Marine Le Pen lost to Emmanuel Macron in France’s presidential runoff.

kabayiri

It's funny.

When you have a referendum with a broad question like "Should we leave the EU?" then lots of people spend ages complaining about people not understanding what that meant.

Now, if you had a referendum with "Do you want fewer migrant workers coming here?" then people would complain that the question is racially motivated or xenophobic.

It seems clear to me that if you want clear answers, you ask a set of very direct; very honest; questions. No PC politician wants that though, because they are frightened to find out what their electorate are like.