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Me vs PCM UK (Heath Parade) - court stage

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  • Rajeev
    Rajeev Posts: 70 Forumite
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Great offer, we must remember this.

    And well done on your win. I am surprised any Judge initially thought PCM's hidden/pale signs were 'fine' but equally it seems he was easily steered the other way!

    Another one bites the dust!

    :T

    Great news and well done mnkut!

    The PCM provides high resolution pictures of the sign to the judge on the same page as location of these signs creating an impression that these are big signs and all over the place and very difficult to miss.
  • mnkut
    mnkut Posts: 104 Forumite
    Shame on costs
    Next time, if it happens, have the CPR with you that states youre entitled!

    Noted thank you!
  • mnkut
    mnkut Posts: 104 Forumite
    edited 15 January 2019 at 5:26PM
    Rajeev wrote: »
    Great news and well done mnkut!

    The PCM provides high resolution pictures of the sign to the judge on the same page as location of these signs creating an impression that these are big signs and all over the place and very difficult to miss.

    Thank you Rajeev! I printed out the Title register (NGL931573) you sent me as well. Shame I didn't get to use it!

    Yes, I bet that's exactly what made the judge think the sign is legible. Also, valuable note for others to note on the 2nd sign ('No Customer Parking at Any Time) Gladstones actually crop out the fact the that it's signed off by Genesis. It's a great point to raise to the Judge and highlight they're misleading the court... truly appalling behaviour.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,548 Forumite
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    Also, valuable note for others to note on the 2nd sign ('No Customer Parking at Any Time) Gladstones actually crop out the fact the that it's signed of by Genesis.

    Good point, again worth remembering. No contract offered by PCM then. The landowner could sue for trespass only.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
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  • beamerguy
    beamerguy Posts: 17,587 Forumite
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    mnkut wrote: »
    Update!

    2019-01-15 Clerkenwell
    E9GF4C3X Parking Control Management (UK) vs Kalantar

    - Dismissed by the Judge for illegible signage
    - Claimant didn't turn up
    - Costs were not awarded sadly

    Judge said "great you've convinced me, case dismissed."

    Well done :T

    Clerkenwell seems now like a anti-scam court

    Gladstones screwed it up all by their little selves again

    Parking Control Management (UK) ..... it's called incompetence and it will keep happening.

    Another scammer for the bucket list
  • Dhudds
    Dhudds Posts: 47 Forumite
    Hi mnkut,
    Do you have the title plan (not title register) for the heath parade site showing the map of the actual site? Also I'm currently preparing my WS for hearing, will you be able to email me the exhibits that you used in your WS.

    Thanks
    Dan

    mnkut wrote: »
    Update
    I have purchased the title and since 04/18 in the name of Genesis Housing Association as stated on Gladstone's authority letter. (feel free to PM if anyone needs the copy I have purchased)

    This was the main advice given that would make the case a surefire winner, now I'm quite confused how to proceed with the witness statement or on the day of the hearing regarding land ownership.

    I understand Barnet Council now own the land but without the Title dated during 2017 (ideally 02/17 when the ticket was issued) I'm only proving authority. (Still planning on calling land reg for an older copy of the title)
    Should I backtrack?

    UPDATE!
    believe I should reference this text noted within the Title:

    (06.03.2015) The land has the benefit of the rights reserved by but is
    subject to the rights granted by a Transfer of the land edged and
    numbered AGL337022 on the title plan and other land dated 12 January
    2015 made between (1) Choices for Grahame Park Limited and (2) Genesis
    Housing Association Limited.
    ¬NOTE: Copy filed under AGL337022.

    (06.04.2018) The Transfer to the proprietor contains a covenant to
    observe and perform the covenants referred to in the Charges Register
    and of indemnity in respect thereof.



    I can't find anything for a title numbered: AGL286644. So I'll give Land Reg a call on this point tomorrow

    A Transfer of the land tinted yellow on the title plan dated 17 May
    2013 made between (1) The Mayor And Burgesses Of The London Borough Of
    Barnet and (2) Choices For Grahame Park Limited contains restrictive
    covenants.
    ¬NOTE: Copy filed under AGL286644
  • MothballsWallet
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    Perhaps it's time that Gladstones and the PPCs that use them spend a few nights in the Clerkenwell House of Detention when they (undoubtedly) lose in court? :D
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 152,548 Forumite
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    Dhudds, did you see the win by Eatshootsleaves today in court?

    They won be evidencing the landowners, so maybe they have what you need.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • Dhudds
    Dhudds Posts: 47 Forumite
    Hi Coupon-mad

    Thanks. I've just seen his page.
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