Sickness record

glentoran99

Thomas_Holding wrote: »

A high risk strategy.

Perhaps, but I certainly wouldn't be hanging around in a job that was making me miserable

Thomas_Holding

desdemona01 wrote: »

Is she in a Union?

Not sure, I will ask.

sangie595

I'm not wishing to be rude, but you need to explain what she means when she says she is being bullied. I'm sure that things are unpleasant at work without a doubt; but I'm afraid that long experience had taught me to ask the question. Not everyone everyone who says they are being bullied is actually being bullied - perspective is influential. I have many times come across people saying they are being bullied when the actual fact is that b they don't agree with their manager; don't like their managers style; or don't think managers should tell them how to do their job. None of those things are bullying. The solution is always predicated by what is actually happening; what her job may be; the length of time she's worked there; and other information.

On a very short term basis, going off with stress is not generally a problem. However, to be blunt, in situations like this it is never short term. The longer she is off, then the harder it will be to return to work. The harder it is, the longer she will be off. Quite apart from the fact that what starts off as a relatively minor mental health problem can rapidly grow into something much more serious and long term, lengthy absences, to be absolutely frank, so make potential employers nervous. A couple of weeks can be explained with "things got on top of me" and nothing more; a couple of months and employers are eying their budget lines and wondering if you'll be in work or off sick with them too.

So it is substantially more complicated than "she's off sick" - to really help we'd b need to be able to assess the situation, because right now all we can really say is that it won't matter much (assuming there is no other substantial sickness record) right now, but it's likely to matter a great deal soon.

Thomas_Holding

sangie595 wrote: »

I'm not wishing to be rude, but you need to explain what she means when she says she is being bullied.

I don't really want to go into too many details as I wouldn't want them to identified.
I do work with them and I have seen it happen in meetings, fortunately we have different bosses.

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

sangie595 wrote: »

I'm not wishing to be rude, but you need to explain what she means when she says she is being bullied. I'm sure that things are unpleasant at work without a doubt; but I'm afraid that long experience had taught me to ask the question. Not everyone everyone who says they are being bullied is actually being bullied - perspective is influential.

To be honest five minutes on this forum should be enough to convince people of that.

sangie595

Thomas_Holding wrote: »

I don't really want to go into too many details as I wouldn't want them to identified.
I do work with them and I have seen it happen in meetings, fortunately we have different bosses.

Well I'm sorry, but in that case we really can't help.

I think you'd be surprised to find out that employers have much better things to do than to read MSE in case they spot an employee on it, especially since there are very, very few unique situations. In 16/17 over half a million employees had time off work for stress, which accounted for 12.5 million working days lost. The numbers are going up. So it's be hard to spot one individual in amongst all that.

But other than saying that, I think you have your answer- I doubt anyone would tell someone to go to work if they are being made ill by it; but in all honesty, going off sick won't change a thing so it's increasingly likely that once off, she'll be off a long time. If this is bullying, the way to change it is to tackle it.

[Deleted User]

Thomas_Holding wrote: »

A friend is being bullied and is worried about going off sick with stress because they might not be able to get another job.
However she is having to take sleep medicines because the situation at work is unbearable so has to chose with going off work with stress and maybe not get another job or damage their health.
I am just grateful it is not me. Hopefully she will get another job ASAP.

Yet there are lots of people out there in temporary positions, who haven’t missed a day of work and who have no firm idea where their future is going, they are so far down on the agenda to talk about until it really matters. It really is lose one stress for another and so on. Well this is what I have learnt. (And this is with a Team Leader who’s answer is well I am a Temp too and tell me where else in the business you would like to work but I cannot guarantee a job!!) you continue to other interviews to be clobbered over the head..because someone might offer another few weeks of work where you are, doing god knows what, it isn’t something you’ve control of or interviewed for I am practically at the point where I have started to wish I had gone of sick and got fired.

I am beginning to sense in today’s job market, anyone looking is really wildly better unemployed. Or friend needs to apply for other internal vacancies if they exist. Have they considered this?

stclair

Thomas_Holding wrote: »

When someone applies for a new job can the new company ask for their sickness record?

You will find most employers will only provide limited information now on references. Normally limited to the persons name, job title and the dates they worked there.

sangie595

stclair wrote: »

You will find most employers will only provide limited information now on references. Normally limited to the persons name, job title and the dates they worked there.

That is a myth that keeps being peddled. Some employers may only provide this type of very basic reference. Not most. And many employers won't accept a reference of that nature and require another reference if they get one. These days, sickness absence is commonly a part of the information employers ask for. Sickness absence has taken on a huge importance to many employers, and many want to know that they won't be taking on a liability from day 1 by employing people who spend a lot of time off sick.

stclair

sangie595 wrote: »

That is a myth that keeps being peddled. Some employers may only provide this type of very basic reference. Not most. And many employers won't accept a reference of that nature and require another reference if they get one. These days, sickness absence is commonly a part of the information employers ask for. Sickness absence has taken on a huge importance to many employers, and many want to know that they won't be taking on a liability from day 1 by employing people who spend a lot of time off sick.

Well working in recruitment myself factual references are very common. Even more so now with the implemention of GDPR.