Sickness record

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

JReacher1 wrote: »

But that is still not always achievable, and even if your previous employer of say ten years ago is happy to provide a reference that tells you ten years ago the candidate had two weeks off sick. Why is that helpful?

It sounds like you two both believe that companies will reject candidates if the references provided by their previous employer are just basic references. This seems incredibly unfair.

How on earth do you read that from my post?

sangie595

JReacher1 wrote: »

But that is still not always achievable, and even if your previous employer of say ten years ago is happy to provide a reference that tells you ten years ago the candidate had two weeks off sick. Why is that helpful?

It sounds like you two both believe that companies will reject candidates if the references provided by their previous employer are just basic references. This seems incredibly unfair.

I didn't say that, but it is their right to if they wish. I do come across situations where employers refuse to recruit until a further satisfactory reference is provided because they won't accept a basic one, and they don't have to. It's not a school playground so fair doesn't come into it.

I am fascinated - could one of you please provide the actual evidence that most companies only provide basic references. Since you keep insisting that this is true, there must be evidence of it. Because my experience is quite the opposite, and I work with many, many employers. I don't claim that my experience is fact - just that it is experience. Whereas you are asserting your experience is fact. So please prove it.

It is not helpful to the OP to lead them to believe that employers cannot or are unlikely to ask about sickness when that is not something you can assert. They can ask. And in my experience many of them do ask.

JReacher1

sangie595 wrote: »

I didn't say that, but it is their right to if they wish. I do come across situations where employers refuse to recruit until a further satisfactory reference is provided because they won't accept a basic one, and they don't have to. It's not a school playground so fair doesn't come into it.

I am fascinated - could one of you please provide the actual evidence that most companies only provide basic references. Since you keep insisting that this is true, there must be evidence of it. Because my experience is quite the opposite, and I work with many, many employers. I don't claim that my experience is fact - just that it is experience. Whereas you are asserting your experience is fact. So please prove it.

It is not helpful to the OP to lead them to believe that employers cannot or are unlikely to ask about sickness when that is not something you can assert. They can ask. And in my experience many of them do ask.

It is funny you mention the school playground, as I remember when you threw your toys out of the pram and said you would never post on here again

Obviously I cannot provide every employers employment recruitment policy but I do know that nobody has ever asked me to provide this information, the company I currently work for won’t provide this information and I know the civil service also do not ask for or give this information.

Therefore I am more than happy to state categorically that it is something that is unlikely to be asked.

nicechap

Sangie, its best not to feed someone's need for validation through spurious arguement, especially when spiked with a personal barb or two and they omit to provide the evidence you have politely asked for.

Obviously, I cannot provide every policy but I've never murdered anyone, and no where I've worked has murdered someone, so am happy to state categorically that it is something that is unlikely to happen.

JReacher1

nicechap wrote: »

Obviously, I cannot provide every policy but I've never murdered anyone, and no where I've worked has murdered someone, so am happy to state categorically that it is something that is unlikely to happen.

It is not actually possible to provide evidence of this as it is based on personal experience of over 25 years of working in a senior management role for several companies.

As an example based on your personal experience I agree it is unlikely that either yourself or anyone you have worked with will murder someone.

Not really relevant to the OP though so can I politely request that you stop trolling this thread

stclair

sangie595 wrote: »

I didn't say that, but it is their right to if they wish. I do come across situations where employers refuse to recruit until a further satisfactory reference is provided because they won't accept a basic one, and they don't have to. It's not a school playground so fair doesn't come into it.

I am fascinated - could one of you please provide the actual evidence that most companies only provide basic references. Since you keep insisting that this is true, there must be evidence of it. Because my experience is quite the opposite, and I work with many, many employers. I don't claim that my experience is fact - just that it is experience. Whereas you are asserting your experience is fact. So please prove it.

It is not helpful to the OP to lead them to believe that employers cannot or are unlikely to ask about sickness when that is not something you can assert. They can ask. And in my experience many of them do ask.

An employment law solicitor maybe.

http://www.landaulaw.co.uk/references/

Does your employer have to give you a reference?

If you want to leave your job youll probably want a reference. It is good practice for your employer to provide a reference, but they are not legally obliged to do so -except in some regulated industries like financial services.

Assuming you do get a reference, what will be in it?

Almost 75% of references these days are factual - namely your name, dates of employment, and job title. Sometimes, the reason for dismissal is included.

sangie595

stclair wrote: »

An employment law solicitor maybe.

http://www.landaulaw.co.uk/references/

Does your employer have to give you a reference?

If you want to leave your job youll probably want a reference. It is good practice for your employer to provide a reference, but they are not legally obliged to do so -except in some regulated industries like financial services (see below).

Assuming you do get a reference, what will be in it?

Almost 75% of references these days are factual - namely your name, dates of employment, and job title. Sometimes, the reason for dismissal is included.

So your evidence is someone else's unsubstantiated opinion? How many solicitors read 75% of all references? And where do they get them? Of course, lawyers are never wrong. About anything. Including their unsubstantiated opinions. Let's hope that firm is better at court cases than they are about the "facts" in their statements.

stclair

sangie595 wrote: »

So your evidence is someone else's unsubstantiated opinion? How many solicitors read 75% of all references? And where do they get them? Of course, lawyers are never wrong. About anything. Including their unsubstantiated opinions. Let's hope that firm is better at court cases than they are about the "facts" in their statements.

Working in recruitment myself for a company that employes 360,000 thousand staff. I see job references every day from companies in all different industries for all sort of positions from clerical to a director level and I can assure you all they do is provide limited information as previously mentioned.

nicechap

stclair wrote: »

Working in recruitment myself for a company that employes 360,000 thousand staff. I see job references every day from companies in all different industries for all sort of positions from clerical to a director level and I can assure you all they do is provide limited information as previously mentioned.

What does your company's reference request letter ask for?

If they do not ask for sickness record, why would you see it the references provided?

sangie595

stclair wrote: »

Working in recruitment myself for a company that employes 360,000 thousand staff. I see job references every day from companies in all different industries for all sort of positions from clerical to a director level and I can assure you all they do is provide limited information as previously mentioned.

Of course you do. And you personally read all 360,000 references. So what about the references of the other 32.39 million people in work? You read all their references too?

This no longer has anything to do with the OPs question. The question was, when someone applies for a new job, can the potential employer ask for their sickness record? The answer is yes. Full stop. It is irrelevant what a spurious recruitment agency might do or see - all that matters is can this information be asked for/ provided, because that is what was asked. And the answer is yes.