Advice on box junction fine

eire13

Hi All,

I'm wondering if I could have some help please. My son has recently been fined in London for entering a box junction and stopping. He was due to turn left but another car cut in front of him meaning he had to sop in the box junction. Also the marking on the box junction were very faded making it hard to see. I have posted a photo below of him entering the box junction. I would appreciate replies on whether he has grounds for appeal of the fine please.

maninthestreet

Looks like he entered the box junction when his exit from it wasn't clear.

peter_the_piper

I suggest a trip to Pepipoo,com , sign up (no hotmail addy) and someone is sure to help.

facade

As above. There is a defence if your exit was clear when you entered the box and someone changed lanes cutting you up and blocked it as you were crossing.

Aylesbury_Duck

I can't match the photo to the description. Which car is your son's, the one at the bottom of the picture?

unholyangel

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

I can't match the photo to the description. Which car is your son's, the one at the bottom of the picture?

I think its the silver one - all the others are blurred except for that one.

DoaM

If it's the silver one then I'm puzzled by the OP's description ... why would he be in the right lane if he was due to turn left?

unholyangel

7.—(1) Except when placed in the circumstances described in paragraph 8, the road markings shown in diagrams 1043 and 1044 shall each convey the prohibition that no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.

(2) The prohibition in sub-paragraph (1) does not apply to any person—

(a)who causes a vehicle to enter the box junction (other than a box junction at a roundabout) for the purpose of turning right; and
(b)stops it within the box junction for so long as it is prevented from completing the right turn by oncoming vehicles or other vehicles which are stationary whilst waiting to complete a right turn.

However a lot of box junctions are not marked correctly. You can find what markings should be present (and also what measurement limits and marking variants are permitted) under diagrams 1043 and 1044 (its about 4/5ths of the way down the page):

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/schedule/6/made

Aylesbury_Duck

DoaM wrote: »

If it's the silver one then I'm puzzled by the OP's description ... why would he be in the right lane if he was due to turn left?

That's why I couldn't match the photo to the description. Unless the silver car came from the road on the left and was trying to get into the right lane? Even then, it's a bit of an odd trajectory but it could be the camera angle and perspective is misleading.

AdrianC

eire13 wrote: »

My son has recently been fined in London for entering a box junction and stopping.

Highway Code, rule 174.

Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road. You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203

He was due to turn left but another car cut in front of him meaning he had to sop in the box junction.

Nope, doesn't appear to be a legit excuse.

Also the marking on the box junction were very faded making it hard to see. I have posted a photo below of him entering the box junction.

No, you've posted a photo of him stationary at the exit to the box junction, at which he could easily have turned left if only he wasn't in the right hand lane. There doesn't appear to be a right turn, and - if there was - he's missed it.

neilmcl

eire13 wrote: »

Hi All,

I'm wondering if I could have some help please. My son has recently been fined in London for entering a box junction and stopping. He was due to turn left but another car cut in front of him meaning he had to sop in the box junction. Also the marking on the box junction were very faded making it hard to see. I have posted a photo below of him entering the box junction. I would appreciate replies on whether he has grounds for appeal of the fine please.

Your son's positioning doesn't suggest he was about to turn left. I think he's going to find it difficult beating this one.