Prepping for Brexit thread

maryb

It's not being suspended beyond mid October, they'll be back in time to pass legislation.

DryTheRain

Zentimes wrote: »

Dear God. We are now really plunging into dark, dark territory.


Govt asks Queen to suspend Parliament. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632


It's outrageous.

I have been jaw on the floor for the last couple of hours too... for information purposes/FWIW here's an anti proroguing petition if anyone's interested https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

DawnW

Zentimes wrote: »

Dear God. We are now really plunging into dark, dark territory.


Govt asks Queen to suspend Parliament. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632


It's outrageous.

Those who have bought and paid for this entire mess will have their way by some means or another.

Primrose

It seems we need a new definition of "Democracy" in the Oxford dictionary, ie Is a decision only allowed to be democratic and abided by if we agree with it?

Regardless of the views on both sides of this debate, perhaps it's now time for all of us to step back and have an honest discussion with ourselves on how many shades of grey we think democracy can have before its state is eroded , or is it purely black and white ?

If we ever had public referendums on such important issues as the restoration of capital punishment, the introduction of voluntary euthanasia, or similar serious issues worthy of public debate , would we accept the overall decision of the public who had made their opinions known or would we want our elected politicians to have the power to overturn our votes? .

If you empower the public to make such decisions you have to trust them to have thought about the issues before they put their X in a box. None of us can predict all the hidden issues which might crawl out of the woodwork in making that decision. Life is full of uncertainties which cannot always be predicted . We have to use our best judgement at the time.

Having said that, I'm not sure any politician would now risk another public referendum on any issue again this century, seeing the issues which have been caused by this one!

MingVase

That last sentence is very true Primrose. And true that you get the govt you deserve.

[Deleted User]

What I find most insulting on both sides of the debate is the commonly held opinion that which ever way we voted as individuals we were and still are deluded, hoodwinked, simple minded idiots. I find the whole idea that we could have been influenced either way by words printed on the side of a bus in London most insulting of all. We all, no matter what our decision was thought long and hard about what we as individuals considered would be best for the country we all live in, I think not a single person went into the referendum with our eyes and ears taped over and decided how to vote on a whim. I and HWK debated deeply and tried to look at how remain or leave would impact our and everyone else's lives, tried to garner all the information on both leave and remain that was available in the public domain before we both made individual decisions as to what we both felt would be the most beneficial way to vote not just for us but for the family, their family and every other soul in the land. I find the assumption that I am an idiot because of the way I voted the most unpleasant patronisation in all of my life.

Primrose

Maybe we should blame a certain politician who called the referendum a year earlier than it was originally planned to be called.
With the benefit of hindsight we should have been having a more detailed debate on details before going to the polls although that may not have made any difference ; then at least we would have realised what a damaging effect it would have in our political institutions.

However, we are where we are and for three years other serious national issues apart from Brexit have been pushed to one side and not received the attention they needed.

Whatever happens I think the British entrepreneurial spirit will always prevail. I see today that somebody is selling Brexit survival kits of 30 days of dehydrated food. Perhaps he'll become the quickest millionaire in the UK's history although I doubt he'll get much business from the folks on this forum!

unrecordings

Damn I forgot the tinned tomatoes !

Boris thinks he's Churchill and this is his Mers el Kabir
I hope it's worth it

lobbyludd

adindas wrote: »

As this is an MSE forum, people who think about growing groceries or doing farming themselves, will need to think about the opportunity cost.

It might be good for people who enjoy doing this thing as a hobby, so nothing attached to money.

But if it is about money and you have opportunity to earn money elsewhere using your valuable time rather than growing your own groceries, it will probably be better and cheaper for you to just buy from the supermarket.

Say apple cost your valuable time to grow, but is it worthy to do that if it just costs you £2 per kg ? You might use your valuable time to earn more money somewhere else.

In farming, I know quite a few people try to impress and make the OH at home happy or making an accused for disappearance for a few days from home by saying he catches the fish himself where in fact he just bought it from the fish market. :D:D:D

I remember in the global country level the theory is introduced by David Ricardo known as the theory of Comparative advantage. The thing you are not good at, you just let the other people do that for you either to buy from them or hire them.

I did have this discussion with my parents when they were growing a lot and we weren't. I have a very small garden in a city, that has to serve multiple purposes (drying washing, kid play area, growing stuff, recycling bin storage etc, with much of it up to 5 foot in shade), they had a massive garden for just the 2 of them, and a paddock and were retired early so had time to spare. We grew a few things so the kids could understand how to and where food comes from, but in terms of opportunity cost, dedicating any space to growing veg and having a glut of say carrots when local carrots are cheapest and we have no way of storing any over-production did not prove money saving. I also know now that any brassicas or cruciferous veg will be grazed to death by slugs no matter what I do, there are just too many around here, so they were economically a huge fail. Having a local co-op of growers who share seeds (I could not possibly find room to plant the one packet of seed onions I bought this year and of those I planted only half have grown, the conditions weren't right in some locations) or agree on who is going to grow what and share the produce can get over that. So for now, given the space we've got, I concentrate on high cost items: herbs and fruit. We have indoor lemons, oranges, ginger and limes, and patio rootstock fig/plum/apples/nectarines/soft fruits and herbs/savories like horseradish etc. Veg, we buy what is in season locally. My brother, with 5 adults and a load of land with it's own water supply etc can keep them all basically self sufficient in terms of veg, but It's hard to make that work on the "plot" I have.

[Deleted User]

One option if you don't have the space, skill, time or inclination to grow your own produce is Community Supported Agriculture where you have the option to be part of a community and supporting and contributing to the running, tending and growing of a farm in your local area by paying ahead an agreed amount of money and then receive a percentage of the crops grown weekly through the year. There is also with this type of scheme the opportunity to actually volunteer to do jobs on the farm as well if you so wish. It would keep farmers in situ doing the job they are trained and able to do, leave you to do your own work and still be able to access fresh fruit and vegetables right through the year. It's a sensible way of doing things to my mind.