County Court Claim Form from UKPC

beamerguy

TKNDWN wrote: »

Thanks for the reply beamerguy.

I believe it is Wech (a resident controlled housing association in Westminster) that has given UKPC permission to ticket vehicles. Wech leave A4 papers on windscreens of vehicles without a permit claiming that if the car is not moved, they'll pass the registration onto UKPC.

Ah, excellent. Good to know regarding Parking Eve v Beavis!

Interesting, this sounds like self ticketing which UKPC
operate, they provide signs and pack for an individual
to report cars, they get £10 commission
http://www.ukpcwarden.co.uk/selfticketing.aspx

If your agreement has no restriction on parking then
you need to find out who has over ridden this as it's
your main agreement that counts

Probably an individual/neighbour living close to you.
UKPC do not issue paper warnings, they only issue
tickets. You have some investigation to do to find
out who is doing this .... probably late at night

TKNDWN

beamerguy wrote: »

Interesting, this sounds like self ticketing which UKPC
operate, they provide signs and pack for an individual
to report cars, they get £10 commission
http://www.ukpcwarden.co.uk/selfticketing.aspx

If your agreement has no restriction on parking then
you need to find out who has over ridden this as it's
your main agreement that counts

Probably an individual/neighbour living close to you.
UKPC do not issue paper warnings, they only issue
tickets. You have some investigation to do to find
out who is doing this .... probably late at night

Extremely interesting. I wasn't even aware of their STS service.

If your agreement has no restriction on parking then
you need to find out who has over ridden this as it's
your main agreement that counts

Indeed, I had checked over the TA and there's absolutely no mention at all of parking. Zero. No clause, nothing. How do I go about finding out?

Is it worth noting that I, myself, have received parking tickets at night for parking outside of bays where their only evidence of this apparent breach of contract is just a picture of my registration? Sounds very cowboy doesn't it?

beamerguy

TKNDWN wrote: »

Extremely interesting. I wasn't even aware of their STS service.

If your agreement has no restriction on parking then
you need to find out who has over ridden this as it's
your main agreement that counts

Indeed, I had checked over the TA and there's absolutely no mention at all of parking. Zero. No clause, nothing. How do I go about finding out?

Is it worth noting that I, myself, have received parking tickets at night for parking outside of bays where their only evidence of this apparent breach of contract is just a picture of my registration? Sounds very cowboy doesn't it?

You now need to request information from the landowner
or agent to show you the authority given to UKPC.
You can SAR them and this is now free

Sounds to me that you are about to open a can of worms

If UKPC have no authority to operate by the landowner/agent
they have an immediate problem

TKNDWN

beamerguy wrote: »

You now need to request information from the landowner
or agent to show you the authority given to UKPC.
You can SAR them and this is now free

Sounds to me that you are about to open a can of worms

If UKPC have no authority to operate by the landowner/agent
they have an immediate problem

Thank you for your response. Please excuse my incompetence as I am new to all of this. Do I send off a formal letter or an email regarding Subject Access Requests to Wech? I've never done one before. What are the steps?

Again please excuse my incompetence.

beamerguy

TKNDWN wrote: »

Thank you for your response. Please excuse my incompetence as I am new to all of this. Do I send off a formal letter or an email regarding Subject Access Requests to Wech? I've never done one before. What are the steps?

Again please excuse my incompetence.

You are not incompetent so don't concern yourself
about questions

SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST
You require to know from the landowner if they have
a contract with UKPC to issue parking tickets at the
mentioned address

This can be done by email

TKNDWN

beamerguy wrote: »

You are not incompetent so don't concern yourself
about questions

SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST
You require to know from the landowner if they have
a contract with UKPC to issue parking tickets at the
mentioned address

This can be done by email

Thank you very much. I assume I sent off the SAR to Wech's contact email address demanding that they provide a contract allowing UKPC to ticket at the address? Are there any templates you can recommend or should I form and word the email specifically myself? I ask as I do not want to get anything wrong here.

Thanks very much!

Umkomaas

A SAR to the landowner is not relevant - unless it relates to the holding, handling or management of your personal data. SAR is not the equivalent of a Freedom of Information Request (which is only relevant for public and the like bodies). it would never likely extract a copy of any contract they hold with UKPC.

But a SAR to UKPC is appropriate - and opportune!

Read this thread before firing anything off.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5849784/june-2018-start-of-the-new-ppc-and-dvla-fightback-gdpr-related

TKNDWN

Umkomaas wrote: »

I don't think a SAR to the landowner is relevant - unless it relates to the holding, handling or management of your personal data. SAR is not the equivalent of a Freedom of Information Request (which is only relevant for public and the like bodies).

But a SAR to UKPC is appropriate - and opportune!

Understood, thank you! So, instead, I should SAR UKPC demanding to see a contract allowing them to ticket at the address, not Wech (landowner)?

beamerguy

TKNDWN wrote: »

Thank you very much. I assume I sent off the SAR to Wech's contact email address demanding that they provide a contract allowing UKPC to ticket at the address? Are there any templates you can recommend or should I form and word the email specifically myself? I ask as I do not want to get anything wrong here.

Thanks very much!

I think that as Umkomaas says, to start with, maybe not a SAR to the landowner but defo to UKPC

Is Wech the landowner OR JUST a co-operative housing
association. Does not mean the two are the same.
It is the company the agreement and tenant signed

You are now in the right place so do your homework
and whatever you find come back here

Umkomaas

TKNDWN wrote: »

Understood, thank you! So, instead, I should SAR UKPC demanding to see a contract allowing them to ticket at the address, not Wech (landowner)?

You have to work it around the handling (etc) of your personal data. After reading the link I gave above, do some Googling of 'Subject Access Request' - it's not a new phenomenon, it's just that it's now free, and the GDPR perhaps adds a bit more impetus and status to it.

We are not SAR 'experts', more we see the opportunity where it might be exploited to help with private parking cases.