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rosamundie wrote: »Mijee1983, you are patently not a lawyer and should not be giving this kind of misleading legal advice.
I can't see anything wrong with what Mijee1983 has said - what is your issue with it?
If not being a Lawyer was a barrier to commenting on these forums... well, you know.
To be clear - you DO NOT need a TV Licence just to own a Computer, Tablet or Phone that has Internet Access.
You only need a Licence to watch/record TV broadcasts or use iPlayer (and that could include using a Computer, Tablet or Phone to do so).0 -
rosamundie wrote: »Mijee1983, you are patently not a lawyer and should not be giving this kind of misleading legal advice.
Which bit was wrong? The bit that was copied directly from the TVL website? Perhaps you would be so kind as to point it out for me.....:D
Remind me not to come to your legal practice when I need advice! :rotfl:Conversely why on earth would anyone install TV receiving equipment if they are not going to use it?
Streaming, games console use, DVD watching, on demand services (excluding iPlayer), hooking up the Betamax.
This is fun, I'm getting the popcorn in.....0 -
It is in fact all the foregoing posts which are wrong and not my post.
Nope. You are wrong. Watching live TV, or using BBC iPlayer requires a TV licence. Owning a television set, or other receiver (and certainly not a computer with an internet connection) does not require a TV licence. Should a representative of TV Licensing gain access to your property and find that you have television reception equipment that is tuned in then they have reasonable grounds to bring a case against you, but owning the equipment without a licence is not an offence.You buy a TV, the retailer tells TV Licensing and TV Licensing tell you that you need a TV Licence. The only evidence is that you own equipment which is capable of accessing TV and/or BBC iPlayer. There is no evidence that you are watching TV or BBC iPlayer and indeed none is required. The same applies if TV Licensing search your premises: If you own equipment which is capable of accessing TV or BBC iPlayer then a TV License is required.
No it isn't. See above.
A retailer may previously have informed TV Licensing, and they may have advised you that if you were using the TV to watch live television, then a licence was required, but the ownership of the equipment does not in itself require a licence.I don't need to post evidence because this is common knowledge or at least common knowledge to those who have common sense.
Oh dear, once again you are trying to argue that you are right without any evidence, and then insisting that you don't need evidence because you are right. Have you not learned yet?Do I really need to keep on repeating myself to prove that what I say is true.
Well that is your usual modus operandi, so why change your habits now?Conversely if anyone thinks what I say is untrue let's see your evidence.
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So, you don't have to present evidence, but anyone who disagrees with you does?
Nonetheless, as I actually understand the importance of evidence (unlike you) here are some links for you:
gov.uk - TV Licensing
Communications Act, 2003 Refer to Section 363
The Communications (Television Licensing) (Amendment) Regulations 2016
Television licensing in the United KingdomWarrants are something of a will they or won't they scenario> But the small numbers of such warrants issued compared with the comparatively high number of prosecutions point to TV Licensing preferring to prosecute without evidence of equipment ownership.
No, many of those prosecutions are the result of individuals admitting to watching television without a licence, i.e. they confess to the offence.0 -
Oh dear.
That FAQ also states:
Ergo it's owning the equipment which requires a TV License and not whether or not BBC programmes are watched.
The reverse of the TV License states:
Conversely if you do don't have a TV License you are not authorised to use and install TV receiving equipment and you are not allowed to download BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer.
Nuff said I think. Go read your TV License!
You have posted evidence that contradicts with what you have said!0 -
As far as I know if you carry a knife on your person which has a blade longer than 3 inches then yes, that is clear evidence that you are going to stab someone. There is always the other side of the coin lol.
No it isn't! It is a separate offence to carry an offensive weapon. It is not evidence of intent to wound, nor of intent to murder.0 -
Cornucopia wrote: »I can't see anything wrong with what Mijee1983 has said - what is your issue with it?
If not being a Lawyer was a barrier to commenting on these forums... well, you know.
To be clear - you DO NOT need a TV Licence just to own a Computer, Tablet or Phone that has Internet Access.
You only need a Licence to watch/record TV broadcasts or use iPlayer (and that could include using a Computer, Tablet or Phone to do so).
The issue is of course that several people in this thread and others are encouraging others to either not get a tv license or claim a refund because they claim to be not using the receiving equipment they own.
I have already demonstrated exhaustively my position which is based on common knowledge.
The punchline is who pays the fine and/or who serves the time if people so encouraged find themselves prosecuted in a court of law and found guilty? Well I'd guess that it's not those who are encouraging others to break the law. I'd also guess that those who are so encouraging others to break the law do themselves in fact have a TV License.
Lastly and I do mean lastly, I find the advice in this thread advising people who own TV receiving equipment that they don't need a TV License to be irresponsible in the extreme.0 -
You are completely wrong. What you describe is closer to the legal situation in Denmark, it does not in any way reflect the legal situation in the UK.You buy a TV, the retailer tells TV Licensing and TV Licensing tell you that you need a TV Licence. The only evidence is that you own equipment which is capable of accessing TV and/or BBC iPlayer. There is no evidence that you are watching TV or BBC iPlayer and indeed none is required. The same applies if TV Licensing search your premises: If you own equipment which is capable of accessing TV or BBC iPlayer then a TV License is required. I don't need to post evidence because this is common knowledge or at least common knowledge to those who have common sense.
You may wish to consult the relevant legislation, which is the ultimate source of the legal situation, because wherever you are getting your "common knowledge" from is misinforming you.Proud member of the wokerati, though I don't eat tofu.Home is where my books are.Solar PV 5.2kWp system, SE facing, >1% shading, installed March 2019.Mortgage free July 20230 -
Not "not using", but "not receiving broadcasts". And it is not "several posters", but the Government, TV Licensing and MSE. Unfortunately, against those institutions (two of whom actually make the rules), you are outnumbered and outvoted.The issue is of course that several people in this thread and others are encouraging others to either not get a tv license or claim a refund because they claim to be not using the receiving equipment they own.
And wrong.I have already demonstrated exhaustively my position which is based on common knowledge.
There is no time to serve because imprisonment is not a sentencing option for TV Licence evasion.The punchline is who pays the fine and/or who serves the time
Do you really think that I (as a BG) and MSE in their official guide would actively encourage people to break the law? Really?... if people so encouraged find themselves prosecuted in a court of law and found guilty? Well I'd guess that it's not those who are encouraging others to break the law.
As I've already said, I do not have a TV Licence because I do not need one. TV Licensing accept that I do not need one due to not watching broadcasts or iPlayer, and are okay with that (even giving me a refund of pre-payments). As I mentioned previously, because I have made pertinent complaints to the BBC (about the poor PACE compliance of their interview process) they have banned TVL from contacting me, and I doubt that they would do that if there was any suspicion that I might actually be an Evader.I'd also guess that those who are so encouraging others to break the law do themselves in fact have a TV License.
In the "community", we call the status of not needing a TV Licence "Legally Licence-free" or LLF. That group includes people with and without TVs, and with and without Computers/Broadband. The common denominator being that no broadcasts/iPlayer are being watched.0 -
The issue is of course that several people in this thread and others are encouraging others to either not get a tv license or claim a refund because they claim to be not using the receiving equipment they own.
If they aren't using it to receive live television then they are entitled to a refund.have already demonstrated exhaustively my position which is based on common knowledge.
Sadly, your position is not based on the law! :wall:
I have provided you with links to the primary and secondary legislation, which are perfectly clear, but you refuse to accept them.
You are absolutely wrong, but will never accept it.punchline is who pays the fine and/or who serves the time if people so encouraged find themselves prosecuted in a court of law and found guilty? Well I'd guess that it's not those who are encouraging others to break the law. I'd also guess that those who are so encouraging others to break the law do themselves in fact have a TV License.
Nobody is being encouraged to break the law! You don't understand what the law says!
Oh, and do please try to understand the difference between, "licence" which is a noun, and "license" which is a verb.Lastly and I do mean lastly, I find the advice in this thread advising people who own TV receiving equipment that they don't need a TV License to be irresponsible in the extreme.
That's because you don't know what you are talking about (yet again). If you read the legislation and understood it then you wouldn't have a problem with what has been written here. Unfortunately, you don't understand. That lack of understanding is borne out of either a stubbornness to ever admit that you might have got it wrong, or an inability to understand legislation. Either way, it is your problem, not ours. Please feel free to continue to act in ignorance of the law, but don't try and argue that black is white when evidence has been presented to prove otherwise. It is you who has presented a false statement of facts and tried to mislead.0 -
I have already demonstrated exhaustively my position which is based on common knowledge.
Your position isn't the same one the law takes. And I'm not sure 'common knowledge' can ever trump the law of the land!
Mind you, I suppose if you tell yourself something is true often enough, you actually start to believe the delusions.0
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