Questions about PIP
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I have been helping my son's partner to fill in her PIP form and by my reckoning she should score four points each on 7C and 9c. She does need help in these areas.....
.....however not always. Sometimes she is worse than others. She has put down that she needs the support 50% of the time for 7c and 40% of the time for 9c.
Will it score if she does not need the support all the time?
(She previously was awarded DLA Low rate care and mobility about 5-6 years ago).
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system
.....however not always. Sometimes she is worse than others. She has put down that she needs the support 50% of the time for 7c and 40% of the time for 9c.
Will it score if she does not need the support all the time?
(She previously was awarded DLA Low rate care and mobility about 5-6 years ago).
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system
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For PIP you have to meet the descriptor more than 50% of the time.
However, you have to be able to do the activity safely, reliably, in a timely manner and to an acceptable standard.
On the face of it, and if they're the only two descriptors that fit, then she's not eligible for PIP.
However, there are a lot of nuances. The descriptors seem straightforward, but behind them is a lot of subtlety backed up by case law.
Someone with ASD is at a disadvantage filling the forms in. Firstly because they're more likely to take the descriptors at face value and think 'I can do that', and secondly because they're less likely to have the insight into their condition that, say, someone in a wheelchair will have.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you're capable of doing it to the standard for PIP.
For instance, someone might think that they can get dressed unaided because they're able to put all their clothes on. But if they can't wear things with buttons, have to rest for half an hour between each garment, are in severe pain from reaching down to put their socks on... then they can't do it for DWP purposes.
If you're both new to the PIP process then if possible get help. Preferably in person from somewhere like CAB, but if not then the autism charities will have plenty of fact sheets. Posting on the benefits board here would also be a good step.
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If the form doesn't arrive by the date stated then his DLA will stop. Don't forget to send evidence to support the claim with the form.
Phone tomorrow and ask for an extension, you should get 14 days.
It's really important that you know what you're doing with the forms, and as you're both so inexperienced with PIP you need to do a lot of reading to get your head around it.
I don't know how important it is to their finances, but there are several posters on here who've had to go through the full appeal process, up to the top level, and it's taken a year from application.
From what you've said you've put on the forms she's not going to get anything, unless other descriptors apply and not just 7 and 9.
I might have missed it, but I don't think they've asked for extra time yet?
I wouldn't be putting those %'s on the form.
The 40% will be used by the DWP Decision Maker as a reason not to award points. They will say she can do that activity for the majority of the time.
Instead detail how she is affected, and the difficulties she encounters. Autism (if this is her difficulty) will always affect the way she can engage with others.
Have you / she read the PIP assessment guide re activity 7?
Lots of people misunderstand what the DWP mean by complex information.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/665635/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
"Complex verbal information is information conveyed in either more than one sentence or
one complicated sentence, for example: I would like tea please, just a splash of milk and
no sugar, as I always have sweeteners with me for when I go out.
Communication support means support from another person trained or experienced in
communicating with people with specific communication needs (for example, a sign
language interpreter); or someone directly experienced in communicating with the claimant
themselves (for example, a family member)."
Having read that, do you think 7c applies, and if so why?
I'd be asking for the 14 day extension. Do some research:
http://www.autism.org.uk/pip
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form/
Perhaps subscribe to Benefits & Work (c.£20) and read their excellent guide on completing the PIP2 form.
Ames comments about reliability are very important, also note that
"According to law a descriptor applies to you for the whole day if it applies at any point during a 24 hour period ; unless it is just "momentary". So if, for example, the painkillers that you take first thing in the morning work straight away and allow you to wash and dress, etc., without delay, that would not count. But if, as in practice with most painkillers, you have to wait a disruptive amount of time for the painkillers to take effect, you may score points.
Guidance issued by the DWP clarifies this by explaining that:
If a descriptor applies at any point during a 24 hour period, it is considered to apply for the entire day, whereas in DLA it would have to apply for !!!8216;the majority of the day! in order to apply;"
I'm sorry if this sounds critical, but I very much doubt that (from what you've written) her PIP form will enable your son's partner to get a PIP award (EDIT: as Ames and poppy have also suggested).
The 40% comment will automatically enable a DWP DM to rule that out (as not on the majority of days), and I fear you / she may have misunderstood the DWP meaning of complex.
You / she need to go into it in more depth and understanding. If she goes to an appeal when the PIP2 form doesn't support an award it is likely to be fruitless and stressful.
She hasn't asked for extra time and the form will be posted (with proof of posting) first thing tomorrow.
Unfortunately she cannot find the assessment from the Ed Psych. She is going to look for it again and send it on when she has found it. We thought it better to post the form on without it than not send it at all. Her GP has filled in some documentation that he was sent.
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She has detailed what difficulty she has, I helped her to word it correctly. She has explained in detail what the difficulties are, what she does if she can't cope, how it makes her feel and what others can do to help, she filled in the continuation page as well as the space allocated.
She dropped this on me today, asking me to help her, we did our best in the time available. We will just have to wait and see, and if she has to appeal will be better prepared next time.
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