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  • seven-day-weekend
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    edited 30 July 2018 at 2:09PM
    https://www.gov.uk/become-appointee-for-someone-claiming-benefits

    Just read this - it says the appointee has to receive and spend the benefits on the person's behalf. So it appears it is mainly for people with learning disabilities. Not for people like the person under discussion, who can sign her own forms and spend her own money.

    So it appears this is not appropriate her case and she will not be allowed to have anyone to speak on her behalf.

    In that case she may as well give up now :(

    I'm going to assume what the CAB said is correct, (as in pmlindyloo's post)otherwise there is no point carrying on with the claim.
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    How does one get an appointee?
    Ring DWP PIP and they will arrange a home appointment for a DWP representative to come to your son's home. A very simple form needs to be filled in and signed by the person who wishes to become an appointee. They will ask a few simple questions to both the claimant and appointee.

    Information here.
    https://www.gov.uk/become-appointee-for-someone-claiming-benefits
  • poppy12345
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    as well as not properly understanding the questions nor being able to explain things correctly.
    You stated the above. That maybe enough reason to become her appointee, i don't know how her conditions affect her. All letters from DWP would be addressed to the appointee and then the appointee needs to sign everything yes. The appointee doesn't have to spend the benefits on her behalf, she can be given the money as and when payments are received.

    I'm my daughters appointee and her PIP is paid to me but once i receive it i transfer it straight to her. She lives with me but the money is hers, not mine.
  • seven-day-weekend
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    edited 30 July 2018 at 2:18PM
    poppy12345 wrote: »
    Ring DWP PIP and they will arrange a home appointment for a DWP representative to come to your son's home. A very simple form needs to be filled in and signed by the person who wishes to become an appointee. They will ask a few simple questions to both the claimant and appointee.

    Information here.
    https://www.gov.uk/become-appointee-for-someone-claiming-benefits

    Thanks, but having read the rules for being an appointee (see my post above), it does not appear appropriate in her case. It seems to mean that she will not be able to receive the Benefit in her name and that someone else will have to spend the money on her behalf, or give it to her. She is able to manage her own money and she works too so this seems very inappropriate.
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  • poppy12345
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    Like i said i don't know how your daughters conditions affect her, becoming her appointee was just a thought.
    I do know that what i advised previously about assessments and speaking on the claimants behalf is true and there's a lot of people that state this. The same thing for Tribunals too. Her partner maybe able to prompt her but she will have to answer the questions.
  • Ames
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    Hopefully with CAB involved she'll be fully prepared for a tribunal. I think that you should both do plenty of research though, about the descriptors and what they really mean, and about what you can and can't do/say at the hearing. There are also rules about evidence and when it can be sent that you need to be aware of.

    Please don't make the same mistakes again.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
  • seven-day-weekend
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    poppy12345 wrote: »
    Like i said i don't know how your daughters conditions affect her, becoming her appointee was just a thought.
    I do know that what i advised previously about assessments and speaking on the claimants behalf is true and there's a lot of people that state this. The same thing for Tribunals too. Her partner maybe able to prompt her but she will have to answer the questions.

    Ok I suppose what I meant was prompt, more than actually answering the questions for her. Sometimes she said things were not a problem when they actually are! He could have prompted her on those point, to think more carefully before replying.

    I wonder why the CAB say differently though? Two separate people said the same thing.
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    Ok I suppose what I meant was prompt, more than actually answering the questions for her. Sometimes she said things were not a problem when they actually are! He could have prompted her on those point, to think more carefully before replying.

    I wonder why the CAB say differently though? Two separate people said the same thing.
    I'm not saying the link isn't true that was posted but a lot of HCPs won't allow it.

    During a Tribunal they will want her to tell them how her conditions affects her, rather than hear it from someone else.


    If she gets as far as Tribunal and this may well be the case here. This is copied from this link.
    if someone goes with you, they might be asked if they want to say anything.
    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/your-hearing/
  • GlasweJen
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    I'm high functioning autistic and the tribunal asked me to answer my questions on my own but at the end they then asked my mum if there was anything she wanted to add.
  • seven-day-weekend
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    Thanks, the posts here have been very helpful, especially the last two :)
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