Manco issues

NeilCr

So it has been suggested that I start a new thread based on this post

"We didn't get that far to know who it was! :D

It was a discussion with our managing agent about ways forward.

But, it's an interesting point. While I take on board the comments The SlithyTove made we went there and had no success. To go forward we would have to instruct solicitors blah blah blah which would have cost us and our residents money with a long road ahead of us with an intransigent landlord. And we had the ongoing issues with waste collection and access for emergency vehicles in the meantime.

So - a ticketing scheme we had control of was not that expensive and our residents were wanting something done. Not someone saying we've asked our solicitors to send a letter.

While I understand that this forum is about fighting tickets the whole MSE philosophy is about saving money which is one of the things we, as a manco, were looking at.

I accept that it may be heresy here but I'd be very interested in any suggestions that folks on this forum might have for dealing with this situation should it arise again. Which, in my experience, it will

After all, anything that doesn't involve a parking company must be good"

I am a director of an estate with tight parking restrictions. In effect we have 69 properties who have one parking space each with one (yes one) visitors bay. There is a private road into the estate which affords a few more parking spaces - maybe 6-7. In general, residents park well but we had a particular issue at the turning point into our main car park where there is a sharp turn and where our bin store is.

There are no parking signs at that point (ours not a parking company) because the bin lorries and emergency vehicles need turning space. Unfortunately one resident decided they would park there on certain occasions when there was nowhere else to go with obvious consequences. We tried everything but they weren't interested. As above, The SlithyTove made suggestions which we had already tried but with no effect.

So we had to consider a parking company because it was a live problem

No-one wanted to - for various reasons - but we saw no alternative.

While I get this forum is about avoiding parking tickets and is very anti parking company I'd really be interested in ways that we can deal with this situation if it reoccurs, And, as I've said before, looking for a solution is very much resident led.

Coupon-mad

I am a director of an estate with tight parking restrictions. In effect we have 69 properties who have one parking space each with one (yes one) visitors bay. There is a private road into the estate which affords a few more parking spaces - maybe 6-7. In general, residents park well but we had a particular issue at the turning point into our main car park where there is a sharp turn and where our bin store is.

looking for a solution is very much resident led.

Good, I particularly liked the fact on the other thread that you wanted to avoid a PPC.

Could you not just paint some yellow hatchings (or double RED lines, not yellow) by the bin stores?

And use a couple of lockable posts and/or a chain to stop vehicles parking there.

Or put your own signs up (PPCs only use cardboard crap with cable ties themselves!) stating that any car parking or stopping on these lines is acting in breach of their lease and the registered keeper of the vehicle will have their data obtained from the DVLA and agrees to pay the Managing Agent, say, £40 to cover the administration of obtaining the keeper's details from the DVLA (costs you £2.50, one form for a landowner) and any action needed to resolve the issue.

Or just 'please refrain from parking at the bins, access required at all times'.

A home made sign is as much a deterrent as a PPC set of trash and costs almost nothing.

Coupon-mad

From the other thread:

In my experience MAs don't act unless there are quite a few residents kicking up a stink!

Did you know that bringing in a parking firm to charge and start restrictions for the first time in an otherwise free car park, is likely to be in breach of the leases of the leaseholders?

See the Landlord & Tenant Act section about having to get 75% agreement (and not more than 10% objections) as a consensus to vary the leases, as mentioned in this thread where a scumbag PPC was beaten this week:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5723306/claim-form-uk-car-park-management&page=2

The DJ's opening remarks were ''Mrs Cross, you may have some difficulty with this. The Defendant has a lease which grants her a right to park. I will hear any submission you wish to make on whether that term has been varied''.

NeilCr

We have home made signs. They parked in front of them. Regularly. We spoke to them - we put notes on the windscreen (which I hate)

Hashes work for a while. That's the one I like personally!. But, after a while , someone gets home late parks there and they realise that nothing happens if they do that.

Posts and chains create the same sort of problem with big vehicles turning. It is very, very tight.

I realise that we have quite an unusual situation - I guess I am saying that if you have a real problem parker it's a major issue. Genuinely, they don't give a """"

And, in the nicest possible sense I see this forum with lots of advice about how to avoid tickets and it's a tad irking. I completely understand why it's here but I also see the havoc a selfish parker brings! And, yep, it's me who had to drag the bins out to a place where they could be emptied.

Coupon-mad

Last resort would be - an injunction to stop them parking there and then sue them for the costs of that injunction.

NeilCr

Coupon-mad wrote: »

From the other thread:
Did you know that bringing in a parking firm to charge and start restrictions for the first time in an otherwise free car park, is likely to be in breach of the leases of the leaseholders?

See the Landlord & Tenant Act section about having to get 75% agreement (and not more than 10% objections) as a consensus to vary the leases, as mentioned in this thread where a scumbag PPC was beaten this week:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5723306/claim-form-uk-car-park-management&page=2

Yes I did - and do.

We were well aware that we had to go to all residents. But, knowing the situation, I think we'd have got 99% backing. Fortunately, we didn't have to go there in the end

We're talking emergency vehicle access here - and non clearing of communal bins. Not nice!

NeilCr

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Last resort would be - an injunction to stop them parking there and then sue them for the costs of that injunction.

Again, I know.

Expensive and time consuming. And they were a tenant.

The other option would be quicker and cheaper and may be effective. But!

Coupon-mad

Except that as Umkomaas, said, even with self ticketing you would have a headache:

Umkomaas wrote: »

That, in microcosm, is the reality across the entire private parking scene - a relatively small number of rogue parkers who irritate landowners who turn to PPCs offering 'free' car park management. PPCs find themselves pushing at an open door.

The rogue parkers are soon dispatched, leaving the rest of society facing out of control PPCs.

You are lucky not to have signed up a PPC to quickly rid you of your rogue parker, because your contract with them would likely be for a minimum of 3 years and their attention would need to turn to genuine residents in order that their outlay in setting up the signage and ongoing car park visits would be covered by income.

Even you wouldn't have been safe from them. It's been a very lucky escape in my view.

NeilCr

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Except that as Umkomaas, said, even with self ticketing you would have a headache:

I know but

Headache against safety and health issues (the bins got disgusting)

Genuinely, we'd have only self ticketed if it was extreme. I wait to see Umkomaas's suggestions for dealing with the situation.

Umkomaas

I wait to see Umkomass's suggestions for dealing with the situation.

Attempt to paint me into a corner, perhaps?

You'd need to go down a legal route if the matter couldn't be resolved 'sensibly'. While it might cost residents to take this action, it would be a small price to pay compared to the misery and cost that would be imposed on them by an increasingly rapacious PPC who would not leave the estate alone as long as they had a contract in place.

Even with self-ticketing on residential estates, we rarely see rogue parkers coming to the forum for help, but over the last couple of years we have seen an exponential rise in tenants, leaseholders and freeholders coming to us in droves with PPC-issued charges to fight.

Do some searches here and PADI on UKPC, UKCPM, PCMUK, Link Parking, Millennium Door and Event Security, New Generation Parking Management, and Parking and Property Management. All are residential 'specialists' and who regularly conduct court cases against residents who have parking rights within the development.

I recognise there are no silver bullet answers, but the one you have been leaning towards should be the last on your list for consideration.

NeilCr

Umkomaas wrote: »

Attempt to paint me into a corner, perhaps?

You'd need to go down a legal route if the matter couldn't be resolved 'sensibly'. While it might cost residents to take this action, it would be a small price to pay for the misery and cost that would be imposed on them by an increasingly rapacious PPC who would not leave the estate alone as long as they had a contract in place.

Even with self-ticketing on residential estates, we rarely see rogue parkers coming to the forum for help, but over the last couple of years we have seen an exponential rise in tenants, leaseholders and freeholders coming to us in droves with PPC-issued charges to fight.

Do some searches here and PADI on UKPC, UKCPM, PCMUK, Link Parking, Millennium Door and Event Security, New Generation Parking Management, and Parking and Property Management. All are residential 'specialists' and who regularly conduct court cases against residents who have parking rights within the development.

I recognise there are no silver bullet answers, but the one you have been leaning towards should be the last on your list for consideration.

I have no interest in painting you into a corner. More in addressing the actual issue as opposed to another tirade which was irrelevant to the point in question. And what you don't get on this forum is those affected by bad parking posting.

The legal route takes a long time and is expensive. Been there, done it. Have you?

Meanwhile, we had someone parking in a position that caused problems for emergency vehicles accessing part of our site which had dwellings on it.

ETA.

So people's health and safety is below the employment of a parking company on our list of considerations.

Okay....