Roundabout logic and mistakes.

Le_Kirk

caprikid1 wrote: »

......but you probably could have drown better.

Only if the OP had driven into a river!

andygb

n217970 wrote: »

If you entered the roundabout in the outside lane, you must at some point cross the inside lane in order to exit the roundabout. Unless her lane physically disappeared? Even though she is in the wrong you still can't cross lanes without proper observation.

Wrong!
You are not very good at understanding things are you?
She was in the left hand lane to take the first exit as indicated by the road markings - large white arrows pointing to the left.
I was in the right hand lane to go straight on (or possibly around the roundabout) - once again clearly marked by large white arrows pointing forwards.
On exiting the roundabout the road is single lane.

n217970

andygb wrote: »

Wrong!
You are not very good at understanding things are you?
She was in the left hand lane to take the first exit as indicated by the road markings - large white arrows pointing to the left.
I was in the right hand lane to go straight on (or possibly around the roundabout) - once again clearly marked by large white arrows pointing forwards.
On exiting the roundabout the road is single lane.

So, you were on the right, the other driver was on the left. In that case how did you manage to exit the roundabout without moving to your left? You can't go from the outside of a roundabout to the exit without checking your mirror regardless of what lane goes where, thats just stupid. You have stated above you moved into your blind spot without checking, regardless of whether the other driver should or should not have been there you should have checked. Its called driving defensively but it is of course far easier to label everyone else incompetent. No the other driver shouldn't have been in the wrong lane but it happens, a lot, a good driver would have anticipated it and avoided a potential collision.

Car_54

sevenhills wrote: »

The OP seemed to imply the other car changed lanes.

As I read it the OP was in lane 2 ("outside" is ambiguous) and the mini in lane 1.

OP must have moved into or across lane 1 to exit.That means he should have checked his mirrors, and blindspot if necessary. He also assumed the mini driver had taken the correct lane: never assume.

The suggested title "incompetent drivers who don't have a clue" might indeed have been appropriate, but not necessarily as the OP meant.

Carrot007

Either the roundabout is one lane with an extra lane to only turn left. In which case OP is right.

Or the roundabout is two lane and despite markings the other car went round in the first lane and OP moved into their lane. There is a roundabout like this near me. And people do use lane 1 to go straight ahead despite having to drive over a hased out area, but anyone in lane 2 would need to move to lane 1 to exit.

A google maps location might clear things up!

Robisere

On entering a roundabout, 2 golden rules:

1 - give way to traffic coming from YOUR right.
2 - If there are marked lanes for each exit, take the one which applies to the exit you require, until it is safe to observe other traffic and move across to your exit lane.

Those are my own rules, but No.1 is backed by the Highway Code. Too many people do not follow it, they just shoot out in front of the traffic. The key part is "observe other traffic." The OP would be almost correct, but the truth is that nowadays some drivers do exactly what they want to do, without reference to what they should do. In order to anticipate these idiots, always check mirrors and be aware that ther may just be such an idiot before or behind you.

n217970

Carrot007 wrote: »

Either the roundabout is one lane with an extra lane to only turn left. In which case OP is right.

If that was the case it would take some serious kerb jumping/off roading for the mini to be on the OPs inside.

Car_54

Robisere wrote: »

On entering a roundabout, 2 golden rules:

1 - give way to traffic coming from YOUR right.
2 - If there are marked lanes for each exit, take the one which applies to the exit you require, until it is safe to observe other traffic and move across to your exit lane.

Those are my own rules, but No.1 is backed by the Highway Code. Too many people do not follow it, they just shoot out in front of the traffic. The key part is "observe other traffic." The OP would be almost correct, but the truth is that nowadays some drivers do exactly what they want to do, without reference to what they should do.

Says the man who writes his own rules ....;)

jase1

andygb wrote: »

I should really have titled this "incompetent drivers who don't have a clue" however.
Yesterday approached a roundabout and moved into the outside lane which was clearly marked (on the road) forward arrow for straight ahead. There was a mini in the inside lane (clearly marked with an arrow pointing left) waiting for the traffic on the roundabout to clear. As the final car cleared, I started to move off - what I didn't realise, was that the young lady in the mini was not going left, but was in my blind spot. As I exited the roundabout onto the single lane road ahead, she beeped her horn loudly at me and was making all kinds of gesticulations. She had obviously nearly run into the rear/side of my car.
This is not the first time that this has happened to me on this roundabout, and unfortunately all the drivers have been young to middle aged women.:(

Next time it happens, check well before leaving roundabout for someone who has done this and blast your horn at them. After all they have done wrong and need to be made aware of your presence.

bonnyrigger

In support of the OP there is a roundabout like this on the A7 at Eskbank, the approach from the SW has two lanes, the LH entry is for 1st exit only (i.e. it ceases to exist after that point), the RH entry "owns" all the lanes after that exit including the outer lane of the roundabout for going straight on (2nd exit) or into a store (3rd exit).
Sorry I can't post a Google Maps link being a new user.
However in this case the "near miss" would occur on the roundabout itself rather than on the exit - and would definitely not be the OP's fault.
What may have happened in the OP's case is that he has not taken the correct line (i.e. the outside lane) and gone round on the inside before trying to cut back out. While the other driver should not strictly have gone into the outside lane from the LH entry, once she is in there she has the same rights as a car which got there legitimately, so a near miss at the exit would likely be the OP's fault.