nhs and private healthcare

Enterprise_1701C

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Just remember this when you next vote.

So you would rather have Khorbyn in, someone that encourages the "me first" generation that cut their finger and turn up at A&E because they can't be bothered to make a doctors appointment or buy a plaster? Someone that would encourage more immigration, mostly coming from countries that have questionable healthcare and their people use the healthcare system far more than here, and they suddenly start reproducing because they can have babies for free!

If we had mandatory health checks for immigrants all would be fine, but we don't do that do we.

We have a large amount of immigrants locally, both Nepalese and eastern European, as well as Chinese that seem to be far healthier than even us, ,but the Nepalese tend to be elderly, and the eastern Europeans have never heard of registering at a doctors.

If you encourage immigrants into the country, encourage them to register at doctors, encourage them to integrate, encourage them to learn English to save on the translation costs, get them to let the elderly female Nepalese learn English so they can be part of the neighbourhood rather than isolated at home if they do not live with other Nepalese, and left to die slowly because they could not ask for help.

sheramber

Waiting times are irrelevant now. Even when you gat a date there is no guarantee that the operation will go ahead.

My husband had an op last year. At his outpatient appointment he was told he was a priority case so his op would be 6 weeks. If he hadn't been a priority case it would be a 6 months wait.

He was admitted the day before his op date. He was told there was a bed reserved for him in ICU, HD and on the ward depending on what he needed after the op.
But he was warned that if any of these beds were required for an emergency then his op would not go ahead.

The previous year he was due an op for cancer. He was ready to go down to theatre at 9am only for the surgeon to come and tell him there was no bed for him.

There were three patients due to move out of ICU into HD but no beds in HD.
There were three patients in HD due to move onto the ward but there no free beds in the ward.
There were three patients on the ward die to go home but there was no care at home available for them so they could not be discharged.

Stale mate.

The surgeon spent the next 2 hours trying to find a bed while the anaesthetist chatted to my husband and twiddled his thumbs.

Eventually, at 11 am it was panic stations to get him down to theatre before the available bed disappeared.


The Hospital programme on TV showed a cancer patient who was gowned up waiting to go to theatre being told , for the third time, that his op could not go ahead and he was sent home yet again.

A woman had had a stroke and needed immediate surgery or she would die so the theatre was no longer available for the cancer patient.

The surgeon said he spent most of his time searching for beds rather than operating.

That is the state of the NHS today.

Red-Squirrel_2

BorisThomson wrote: »

I can't believe there is no private facility that can offer the treatment you need, although it may not be covered by your policy. What is the procedure?

Its quite common actually. Private hospitals love doing simple profitable knee and hip replacements, they aren't so keen to provide surgeries that need a lot of specialist resources and expertise, or that prolonged recovery periods before discharge.

Red-Squirrel_2

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

So you would rather have Khorbyn in, someone that encourages the "me first" generation that cut their finger and turn up at A&E because they can't be bothered to make a doctors appointment or buy a plaster? Someone that would encourage more immigration, mostly coming from countries that have questionable healthcare and their people use the healthcare system far more than here, and they suddenly start reproducing because they can have babies for free!

If we had mandatory health checks for immigrants all would be fine, but we don't do that do we.

We have a large amount of immigrants locally, both Nepalese and eastern European, as well as Chinese that seem to be far healthier than even us, ,but the Nepalese tend to be elderly, and the eastern Europeans have never heard of registering at a doctors.

If you encourage immigrants into the country, encourage them to register at doctors, encourage them to integrate, encourage them to learn English to save on the translation costs, get them to let the elderly female Nepalese learn English so they can be part of the neighbourhood rather than isolated at home if they do not live with other Nepalese, and left to die slowly because they could not ask for help.

Load of racist babble, not worth responding to.

BorisThomson

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

So you would rather have Khorbyn in, someone that encourages the "me first" generation that cut their finger and turn up at A&E because they can't be bothered to make a doctors appointment or buy a plaster? Someone that would encourage more immigration, mostly coming from countries that have questionable healthcare and their people use the healthcare system far more than here, and they suddenly start reproducing because they can have babies for free!

If we had mandatory health checks for immigrants all would be fine, but we don't do that do we.

We have a large amount of immigrants locally, both Nepalese and eastern European, as well as Chinese that seem to be far healthier than even us, ,but the Nepalese tend to be elderly, and the eastern Europeans have never heard of registering at a doctors.

If you encourage immigrants into the country, encourage them to register at doctors, encourage them to integrate, encourage them to learn English to save on the translation costs, get them to let the elderly female Nepalese learn English so they can be part of the neighbourhood rather than isolated at home if they do not live with other Nepalese, and left to die slowly because they could not ask for help.

Please provide evidence of Corbyn encouraging people to misuse A&E services.

The Labour Party (and Mr Corbyn) advocate managed migration, allowing overseas workers with skills that are required in our economy. What objection do you have to such a policy?

BorisThomson

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Its quite common actually. Private hospitals love doing simple profitable knee and hip replacements, they aren't so keen to provide surgeries that need a lot of specialist resources and expertise, or that prolonged recovery periods before discharge.

Reread what I wrote. I said that I can't believe that there is no private facility that will do it. Whilst smaller private units are not going to have the requisite facilities, I'm certain there will be somewhere in the UK that does.

But the OP doesn't want to tell us what the procedure is ...

Beenie

The truth about private medical insurance is just that - it's an insurance policy and we have all had dealings with insurance companies and the difficulties they can throw up.

Private hospitals are great for the small operations (procedures) such as minor cosmetic surgery, varicose veins, cataracts, or a knee joint replacement. Anything that can be done in a day and out you go at tea time. Proper nursing care, after care such as physio is not covered (unless you pay extra for the physio). Private hospitals don't have the facilities that a NHS hospital has; it doesn't have the doctors on call either should you need one post-surgery (because they are all in theatres earning their next wedge, and then off home when the work is done). That's why some unfortunate patients have to be transferred to the busy local NHS hospital for emergency care.

Nicki

Beenie wrote: »

The truth about private medical insurance is just that - it's an insurance policy and we have all had dealings with insurance companies and the difficulties they can throw up.

Private hospitals are great for the small operations (procedures) such as minor cosmetic surgery, varicose veins, cataracts, or a knee joint replacement. Anything that can be done in a day and out you go at tea time. Proper nursing care, after care such as physio is not covered (unless you pay extra for the physio). Private hospitals don't have the facilities that a NHS hospital has; it doesn't have the doctors on call either should you need one post-surgery (because they are all in theatres earning their next wedge, and then off home when the work is done). That's why some unfortunate patients have to be transferred to the busy local NHS hospital for emergency care.

Source?

Anytime I've been an inpatient in a private hospital, the consultant has been in to see me every day and outside of that there have been house doctors who will either make the decisions themselves or call the consultant to ask for advice.

Physio and aftercare has been provided where required and paid for by insurers.

Nursing care has been better than on NHS and on the one occasion things didn't immediately go as well as hoped, there was a fully staffed and equipped HDU in the private hospital which I needed for a couple of days.

I've never felt I was discharged before I was medically ready either.

Jellybean79

Operation is keyhole on a kidney that caused severe sepsis, so besides repair drains need removing as well.

Nicki

Jellybean79 wrote: »

Operation is keyhole on a kidney that caused severe sepsis, so besides repair drains need removing as well.

Princess Grace, London Bridge and London Clinic all have specialists in nephrology so would be worth making enquiries there and checking your insurance covers them.

I've been an in patient at Princess Grace and I can confirm it definitely has doctors on duty 24 hours a day, and nurses and has a HDU if needed . They also do serious surgery not just minor cosmetic ops.