Offers Over Scotland (EH21) FTB

googler

dotchas wrote: »

Both have been listed for sale since Nov 2017 so not exactly "hot properties" so may go for less than asking price.

Exactly ...

Making 'Offers Over' a moot point.

eschaton

pinklady21 wrote: »

Watch out for the flight paths. Lots of change is coming over the areas surrounding Edinburgh.

Who cares about flight paths?

If you want to live reasonably close to an airport then you need to expect aeroplanes to fly above.

pinklady21

"Who cares about flight paths?"
Erm - anyone who wakes up one day to find themselves unexpectedly living beneath one, I would think.
And who wants to live reasonably close to an airport? I don't - I actually deliberately chose to live in what was a tranquil rural area, 12 miles from the airport where there were no flight paths.
I am now routinely awoken at 6am by multiple jet aircraft flying over. Will happily swap that with you if you like......
I wonder if you are connected in some way with the aviation "industry"?

comeandgo

I stayed on a helecopter flight path for landing. Got to be you did not notice them, only when visitors children ran outside to wave to them that we noticed them again. If house was ideal, flight path no problem.

pinklady21

It is very different thing to know that a property is affected by flight paths before you purchase it, and make the decision to buy in full knowledge of the facts.
It is quite another matter when you have bought a house for the tranquility, and lived there happily in peace for years, to literally wake up one day to the noise of jet aircraft, and find that a flight path has been implemented over said house.
And no - most folks do not ever "get used to it". The impact on health of being forced to live with unwanted aircraft noise is already well researched and documented.
It is happening all over the UK. All bets are off as to where planes will fly. While flight path noise does not bother everybody, they seem to be targeting the quieter rural areas for new flight paths, as "there are fewer people there". Regardless of the fact that these people chose to live there because of the peace and quiet!
Folks connected with the aviation industry seem to have a problem with people saying quite reasonably that they value their tranquility, paid a premium for it, and want to keep it, thank you.

theartfullodger

You can offer whatever you like, including offering "under". I did that for a house on the market for 2 years no offers.

Offered 70% of "offers over" price. Got the bluntest ever rejection from estate agent on their instruction from their client (I was surprised at the outright rudeness of the estate agent's language). Waited 5 days, repeated offer @ 70%: Vendor accepted it. Still own it.

davidmcn

eschaton wrote: »

Who cares about flight paths?

If you want to live reasonably close to an airport then you need to expect aeroplanes to fly above.

How close is "reasonably"? Here we're talking about the opposite side of Edinburgh from the airport.

eschaton

pinklady21 wrote: »

"Who cares about flight paths?"
Erm - anyone who wakes up one day to find themselves unexpectedly living beneath one, I would think.
And who wants to live reasonably close to an airport? I don't - I actually deliberately chose to live in what was a tranquil rural area, 12 miles from the airport where there were no flight paths.
I am now routinely awoken at 6am by multiple jet aircraft flying over. Will happily swap that with you if you like......
I wonder if you are connected in some way with the aviation "industry"?

pinklady21 wrote: »

It is very different thing to know that a property is affected by flight paths before you purchase it, and make the decision to buy in full knowledge of the facts.
It is quite another matter when you have bought a house for the tranquility, and lived there happily in peace for years, to literally wake up one day to the noise of jet aircraft, and find that a flight path has been implemented over said house.
And no - most folks do not ever "get used to it". The impact on health of being forced to live with unwanted aircraft noise is already well researched and documented.
It is happening all over the UK. All bets are off as to where planes will fly. While flight path noise does not bother everybody, they seem to be targeting the quieter rural areas for new flight paths, as "there are fewer people there". Regardless of the fact that these people chose to live there because of the peace and quiet!
Folks connected with the aviation industry seem to have a problem with people saying quite reasonably that they value their tranquility, paid a premium for it, and want to keep it, thank you.

Sorry maybe you are just one of the people that are happy for aeroplanes to fly people around as long as it isn't over your house?

Have you never flown before and don't ever intend to do so, or don't you mind flying over other people's houses?

More flights mean the possibility of reviewing flight paths. No different to years ago when they started building motorways next to houses because they needed more roads due to increased car ownership.

I do class 12 miles as being reasonably close to an airport. I'm probably a similar distance away as yourself so i do hear these 6am planes as well as the ones just before midnight. You can't expect those big planes to get to an airport at 20,000ft then just drop straight down onto the runway. When that happens, it rarely ends well.

Finally, I don't work in the aviation industry.

pinklady21

A few facts about Aviation Expansion in the UK, for those who are fortunate enough not to have been affected by it so far (and I hope you never are, as it is hell)

There is no effective protection for overflown or about to be overflown communities. Once a flight path has been approved, which may have been decades ago and for very different numbers and types of aircraft than we have now, an airport or air traffic control can use that flight path any way they like.
So a previously unused flight path, can be "switched on" for intensive use by big noisy jet planes for which it was never designed. And there is nothing those affected can do about it.
The CAA as the Regulator of airspace believes it does not have any powers to do anything to protect health or environment.
The noise levels are considerable, and frequent - depending on where residents are can be over 70Db hundreds of times a day.

Anyone on the ground creating this level of noise would end up with an ASBO.

Contrast this with the example of a new Motorway. There will be a clear requirement for it in the first place that will be documented. It will be subject to a public planning process, and possibly a planning enquiry.
there will be compensation available to those worst affected.

Aviation enjoys privileges that no other industry could dream of.
Exemption from noise and other environmental regulation and control.
Tax breaks such as no fuel duty or VAT, and duty free shopping at airports that may have made sense a century ago to support a small nascient industry, but are not appropriate for the modern day yet subsist due to determined lobbying of governments by a powerful industry.

An industry no longer state owned or controlled, but mainly in the hands of offshore registered asset management and private wealth companies.

Aviation claims to provide great economic benefits to our country, yet contributes to an enormous and growing Tourism Deficit - the difference between the cash overseas visitors spend here, versus the sums that UK residents take with them and spend in overseas economies at the expense of our own.

To suggest that it is all the fault of someone for buying a house too close to the airport, is to completely miss the point of what is really happening around multiple airports and practically by stealth.

As for Edinburgh, over 100,000 people who were never affected and never dreamed they would be now find themselves unexpectedly under flight paths. Some over 20 miles from the end of the runway. A previous poster suggested moving West to benefit from a cheaper house price - there are reasons why the houses in West Lothian can be cheaper, one of which is the existence of flight path.

As for East Lothian, I simply would not go near Musselburgh or the surrounds, given what I know about where the planes fly, both in and out of the airport.
Check out one of the online apps to see where planes are flying.

eschaton

pinklady21 wrote: »

A few facts about Aviation Expansion in the UK, for those who are fortunate enough not to have been affected by it so far (and I hope you never are, as it is hell)

There is no effective protection for overflown or about to be overflown communities. Once a flight path has been approved, which may have been decades ago and for very different numbers and types of aircraft than we have now, an airport or air traffic control can use that flight path any way they like.
So a previously unused flight path, can be "switched on" for intensive use by big noisy jet planes for which it was never designed. And there is nothing those affected can do about it.
The CAA as the Regulator of airspace believes it does not have any powers to do anything to protect health or environment.
The noise levels are considerable, and frequent - depending on where residents are can be over 70Db hundreds of times a day.

Anyone on the ground creating this level of noise would end up with an ASBO.

Contrast this with the example of a new Motorway. There will be a clear requirement for it in the first place that will be documented. It will be subject to a public planning process, and possibly a planning enquiry.
there will be compensation available to those worst affected.

Aviation enjoys privileges that no other industry could dream of.
Exemption from noise and other environmental regulation and control.
Tax breaks such as no fuel duty or VAT, and duty free shopping at airports that may have made sense a century ago to support a small nascient industry, but are not appropriate for the modern day yet subsist due to determined lobbying of governments by a powerful industry.

An industry no longer state owned or controlled, but mainly in the hands of offshore registered asset management and private wealth companies.

Aviation claims to provide great economic benefits to our country, yet contributes to an enormous and growing Tourism Deficit - the difference between the cash overseas visitors spend here, versus the sums that UK residents take with them and spend in overseas economies at the expense of our own.

To suggest that it is all the fault of someone for buying a house too close to the airport, is to completely miss the point of what is really happening around multiple airports and practically by stealth.

As for Edinburgh, over 100,000 people who were never affected and never dreamed they would be now find themselves unexpectedly under flight paths. Some over 20 miles from the end of the runway. A previous poster suggested moving West to benefit from a cheaper house price - there are reasons why the houses in West Lothian can be cheaper, one of which is the existence of flight path.

As for East Lothian, I simply would not go near Musselburgh or the surrounds, given what I know about where the planes fly, both in and out of the airport.
Check out one of the online apps to see where planes are flying.

I honestly don't have time at the moment to read all that but I take it you are happy flying over other people's houses, just not your own?

I was the one that mentioned buying west.