Is my county court business centre letter fake?

Jmktia

Please can you give me an update as to what happened in the end?

I have just received a C C B C letter and am not sure what I should do

waamo

waamo wrote: »

You need to do 2 things. Firstly read the thread at the top of this board that tells Newbies to read it first. Post 2 in that thread contains a walk through guide to the court process.

Secondly start your own thread for your own advice.

Follow the same advice I gave to another poster in this thread.

mtleyland

I have a similar situation ..
My partner got a ticket from parking eye for an overstay on a car park.
Appealed did the popla thing was refused . Then all of a sudden letter from this court business centre that just looks fake ..anyways unfortunately I missed my hearing and now had to pay £170 So I contacted this ccbc explained I could not afford and filled in the form of outgoings etc ..they decided I could afford payments of £47 a month . So I try to pay only parking eye will only accept full payment so I contact ccbc they was not helpful.
Not sounding like anybody who works for a court when I explain I'm trying to pay but parking eye have no human interaction , I have emailed parking eye with no response. Ccbc want £50 for a form for me to complete to apply for instalments ..what a scam this so called court order instalments then want £50 to set up instalments ..
My partner is considering paying this but I am fuming with these cowboys ..
Where do I go from here ?

D_P_Dance

UKPC have form, read this

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html

Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP., it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and in some cases, cancellation. 

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up,

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/of these Private Parking Companies.

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.

Umkomaas

mtleyland said:

I have a similar situation ..
My partner got a ticket from parking eye for an overstay on a car park.
Appealed did the popla thing was refused . Then all of a sudden letter from this court business centre that just looks fake ..anyways unfortunately I missed my hearing and now had to pay £170 So I contacted this ccbc explained I could not afford and filled in the form of outgoings etc ..they decided I could afford payments of £47 a month . So I try to pay only parking eye will only accept full payment so I contact ccbc they was not helpful.
Not sounding like anybody who works for a court when I explain I'm trying to pay but parking eye have no human interaction , I have emailed parking eye with no response. Ccbc want £50 for a form for me to complete to apply for instalments ..what a scam this so called court order instalments then want £50 to set up instalments ..
My partner is considering paying this but I am fuming with these cowboys ..
Where do I go from here ?

You seem to have a County Court Judgment (CCJ) against you and you are in danger of having your credit rating trashed and potentially your life being made financially uncomfortable for the next six years. 

Please start a new thread of your own (simply copy and paste your post above) and you will get bespoke help. Please provide us the date of the CCJ. 

Do not reply on this thread, otherwise you get confusing advice - like D P Dance just advising you about UKPC - another parking firm, but the subject of the original thread ..... and a completely different kettle of fish to ParkingEye!

ant555_2

Just read some rude comments about my post so I will respond. 
I have not seen any of the tv progams mentioned and I am not in a Brigade. 
Here is the 'official' description of the CCBC, as provided by themselves on the www.gov.uk government website:
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Who we are

We work together with county courts of England and Wales. We only handle the administration of cases. Cases which need a court hearing will be heard by a District Judge or Circuit Judge in a county court.

We are based in Northampton. We are separate from the Northampton Combined Court.

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They are stating (admitting) that they are NOT a court, they work WITH the courts and are a part of the government's Courts and Tribunals Service. I know that the law applies to me and I am grateful for it but there is a very important distinction between 'law' and 'government'.

In my case the debt collectors had an 'Order of the Court' PDF file on a tablet (notice the wording of that - NOT a Court Order). The debt collectors turned up and showed it to me and I said: 'I don't owe you any money, I won't be paying you any money and there is no way are you ever coming inside my property so you are just wasting your time' and I politely closed the door. They cannot enter without my permission. They are not High Court Ballifs they are Enforcement Officers, they are civilian and have no more right to enter your home than the postman. No one can force their way into your home unless to collect unpaid CRIMINAL fines, Income Tax or Stamp Duty - definitely not parking Notices! This is the law.

That was over 4 years ago and I have heard nothing since. They know I will not pay and they just move on to someone who is more likely to. I stand by my assertion that CCBC is NOT a court of law and that orders of the court issued by the CCBC are not legally enforceable. The entire system depends upon compliance.

That was the only advice/info I was giving. I will acknowledge though that I do not know much about credit ratings or CCJ's. I am in the fortunate position where I do not have to borrow money so if my credit rating was affected I did not notice nor I was issued a CCJ to my knowledge but I have never checked. I was under the impression that only a Judge can issue a CCJ, but if people here know better then fair enough but I am skeptical. If credit is of major concern to you then you might not want to follow my advice sure, but the information I have given is correct. I rest my case

KeithP

ant555_2 said:

In my case the debt collectors had an 'Order of the Court' PDF file on a tablet (notice the wording of that - NOT a Court Order).

Please tell us what the subtle difference is between an 'Order of the Court' and a 'Court Order'.

ant555_2 said:

I will acknowledge though that I do not know much about credit ratings or CCJ's.

With all your knowledge you will at least understand that the letters CCJ stand for County Court Judgment, surely?

How do you come to terms with the fact that the 'non-court' County Court Business Centre can issue County Court Judgments?

ant555_2

1. A 'Court Order' is a direction issued by a court or a judge requiring a person to do (or not do) something. Because they are not a court of law they cannot issue a Court Order, so they use the term 'Order of the Court' to circumvent.
2. I am not convinced that CCBC can issue a CCJ,  my understanding is that only a Judge can do that and there are no Judges (or even Lawyers) at CCBC. They only administrate they do not deliver a judgments but I have already said I am not 100% sure. There might be some process where the case is eventually referred to a proper court and a Judge then issues the CCJ? If the case is not defended then the Judge would rule in favor of the complainant by default. Or perhaps CCJ does not require a court of law. It would be one or the other but the fact remains that the CCBC is not Court of Law. 

Why not try to conduct a discussion without sarcastic innuendo like a grown up?

Umkomaas

Where a claim isn't defended (MCOL claim issued via the CCBC) and the claimant asks for judgment (via the CCBC), that judgment will be automatically issued in the claimant's favour after 14 days, the defendant then having a CCJ issued against them. This entire process is administered and communicated by the CCBC.  If the defendant is unaware that proceedings were issued (maybe because of a house move, with documents served at a former address), they will have a credit trashed problem to deal with. Not irrecoverable, but a right PITA to unravel.

ant555_2

This sounds correct. i just wanted to point out that some of the readers of this thread might receive notification of an 'Order of the Court' and I wanted to make clear that is just an indication that the claim has been processed by CCBC. It does NOT mean that your case has been seen and ruled on by a judge (yet). Until this happens the recovery of the debt is not enforcable and not legally binding.  You can simply request the court to 'set aside' the judgement and then you would get a hearing in a proper court with a judge.  It costs £255 to apply. If you did that and lost then yes, that debt would then be legally enforceable as it was ruled by a judge in a proper court.  If you win then the debt is scrapped. Personally however as they have no legal means of ever recovering the debt anyway I wouldn't bother. But if you were worried about the hassle and credit rating and it was a large debt (larger than the fee and other costs to go to court) then this would be an option. 
(sorry i was originally responding to earlier post)