Britannia Driving School - Consumer Right Exist?

NBLondon

Car_54 wrote: »

Where does that quote come from? It is simply untrue.

Learners are generally advised always to signal at junctions, for the simple reason that they are unlikely to have the experience to judge confidently that a signal is unnecessary. Examiners take this into account.

However, if a signal is omitted correctly (because appropriate observations have been carried out and no-one would benefit) then no fault will be marked.

OK - I get it now. Lily was coming out of a one-way street onto a two-way; T junction controlled by lights with dedicated or filter lanes. So instructor may have explained (badly) that if the lane you are in can only legally go in one direction, it is not automatically necessary to indicate as long as you have observed carefully that there is no-one who would benefit from the signal. The oneway-ness is a red herring.

Twopints

lister wrote: »

Except that we all know that the standards check is a game. For one hour [STRIKE]every four years[/STRIKE], you have to play the game to a particular set of rules, and for the next 8000 hours give or take (assuming 40 hours a week for 50 weeks of the year) [STRIKE] of teaching[/STRIKE] you are free to do what the hell you like.

Admittedly, standards checks have been made very slightly more difficult to bluff your way through, but only if you are a little bit hard of understanding or simply don't bother to find out the rules.

The old check test was a total joke, and a concussed orang could be trained to 'oook' their way through it.

So just like the driving test then.

Lily_W

gpc273 wrote: »

Where are you getting these quotes from?

Car_54 wrote: »

Where does that quote come from? It is simply untrue.

I cannot list a link here, but the website domain name is driving test tips.biz
search for WHEN TO SIGNAL WHILST DRIVING, then you will get the page.

Don't get me wrong. Mirror Signal Manoeuvre, Mirror (observation) is before Signal, I will pack myself with the good habit .

Here is one opinion from Driving Test Tips which I also agree with.
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Q:
May I ask a question about how to correctly give Indication/Signal in relation to one way system please? Thank you.

One example – When emerging out of a One-Way Street to a T-junction where traffic light controls are in place. You get in the correct lane to turn left, can you omit the Indication/Signal to the left just because your position shows that the only way you can turn is turning to the left?

Another example – When at a T-junction with sign shows no right turn, you are turning left. If you indicate and signal to the left, is it very wrong?

A:
Yes you can omit the signal when in a dedicated lane. However, providing your signal does not cause any confusion, it’s usually best to signal regardless just to ensure other road users know your intent. The same applies to your second example, no need to signal but if you are signalling and providing it doesn’t cause any confusion, then there is not an issue.
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If omit signal is an option. Can anyone list out the benefit of omit signal? A part from saving your bulbs. Again the condition is you got the good habit, observation before signal.

Car_54

Lily_W wrote: »

Here is one opinion from Driving Test Tips which I also agree with.

With respect, you are not qualified to agree or disagree. The danger with advice on the internet is that some of it is wrong, and you have no way of telling the good from the bad.

If omit signal is an option. Can anyone list out the benefit of omit signal? A part from saving your bulbs. Again the condition is you got thegood habit, observation before signal.

The benefit is not in omitting the signal, it is in the habit of effective observation. Signalling "automatically" is a lazy habit which tends to lead to non-observation.

But, as previously said, as a learner on test you are unlikely to have the experience to judge whether it is safe to omit a signal.

See comments in bold.

Robisere

Get a bicycle please, Lilly.

We will all feel safer on the roads.

lincroft1710

lister wrote: »

I have never met anyone who, from scratch, has developed the motor skills to pass a driving test in less than 15-20 hours, let alone the cognitive skills (which usually take a bit longer as they can't fully develop until the learner can control the car instinctively).

You can no more learn to drive and pass a test today (or indeed for the majority of the last 82.5 years, excluding of course 1939-1945 and a short period in 1956) with 8 hours behind the wheel than I could learn brain surgery by correspondence course (or indeed after 8 hours gouging around inside someones head)

The reality is that on average drivers have had around 40 hours of lessons and 20 hours private practice when they pass their test. So around 60 hours in total...

Tests and driving standards must have been much easier and lower respectively back in the late 1960s. 15 hours tuition was about the norm before passing the test.

Silvertabby

Some people are just not meant to drive.

My late mum, bless her, announced that she was going to learn to drive when she was in her 50s.

Dad, sister and I all knew that she would never be a safe driver.

In the event, she had 2 lessons before her instructor advised her that she would be wasting his time and her money to go any further. She only got as far as lesson 2 because the first one was on a private test track, with no other vehicles, pedestrians, etc - it was just to get the student used to the controls. Once she got onto the normal roads her instructor could see what we already knew - that she was totally lacking in co-ordination and road awareness.

Unfortunately, mum didn't agree with the instructor that she was a lost cause - because she couldn't see why he wouldn't let her do all of her lessons - and the test - on the private track. Fortunately, we managed to get her to see sense and not to write a steaming letter of complaint to the driving school.

Unfortunately, her 2 lessons then made her the world's worst back seat driver. Some of her classics were:

You can go through a red light if the road is clear.

You can go the wrong way down a one way street if you don't know how to get to where you are going by any other way.

Cyclists always have to give way to cars.

If you beep your horn other cars have to let you through.

Plus many more. I've no idea where she got these ideas from - to be fair, I'm sure it wasn't her poor instructor !

mollycat

Silvertabby wrote: »

Some people are just not meant to drive.

My late mum, bless her, announced that she was going to learn to drive when she was in her 50s.

Dad, sister and I all knew that she would never be a safe driver.

In the event, she had 2 lessons before her instructor advised her that she would be wasting his time and her money to go any further. She only got as far as lesson 2 because the first one was on a private test track, with no other vehicles, pedestrians, etc - it was just to get the student used to the controls. Once she got onto the normal roads her instructor could see what we already knew - that she was totally lacking in co-ordination and road awareness.

Unfortunately, mum didn't agree with the instructor that she was a lost cause - because she couldn't see why he wouldn't let her do all of her lessons - and the test - on the private track. Fortunately, we managed to get her to see sense and not to write a steaming letter of complaint to the driving school.

Unfortunately, her 2 lessons then made her the world's worst back seat driver. Some of her classics were:

You can go through a red light if the road is clear.

You can go the wrong way down a one way street if you don't know how to get to where you are going by any other way.

Cyclists always have to give way to cars.

If you beep your horn other cars have to let you through.

Plus many more. I've no idea where she got these ideas from - to be fair, I'm sure it wasn't her poor instructor !

Silvertabby, Hi

I enjoy your posts and pretty much nearly always agree with you POV on stuff.

Im not sure if the !st line of your post is related to Lily, or is simply a way of introducing the funny anecdote about your late mum..:)

If intended for Lily I think thats a wee bit unfair

Sounds like she almost passed her first test, and rather than feeling a sense of injustice, resolved to rectify the deficit.

She has also demonstrated the insight into the fact there is ongoing learning following getting her licence and (to me) has come across as a sensible, responsible young lady. (assusmption alert ) There is no sense of entitlement here, just a motivation to "get it right".

Some people just take an awful lot more lessons than others; I dont think that this is then directly proportional to the quality of the driver once the test is passed....( ie 5 years down the line, who is the better driver, the person wo passed after 8 hours or the person who passed after 48? )

In essence Lily, (if you pardon the pun) doesnt sound like a complete car crash on the roads!

Unfortunately, she has become completely caught up with the issues caused by having an incompatible driving instructor, causing a lack of confidence and an element of overthinking.

Lily, my advice would be to forget about getting any recourse from Brittania...the quest for this is stopping you focusing on the true helpful action here; finding another compatible driving instructor, finishing the job of learning to drive and pass you test, then going on to develop your driving skills over the years.

I wish you well.

Silvertabby

mollycat wrote: »

Silvertabby, Hi

I enjoy your posts and pretty much nearly always agree with you POV on stuff.

Im not sure if the !st line of your post is related to Lily, or is simply a way of introducing the funny anecdote about your late mum..:)

If intended for Lily I think thats a wee bit unfair

Sounds like she almost passed her first test, and rather than feeling a sense of injustice, resolved to rectify the deficit.

She has also demonstrated the insight into the fact there is ongoing learning following getting her licence and (to me) has come across as a sensible, responsible young lady. (assusmption alert ) There is no sense of entitlement here, just a motivation to "get it right".

Some people just take an awful lot more lessons than others; I dont think that this is then directly proportional to the quality of the driver once the test is passed....( ie 5 years down the line, who is the better driver, the person wo passed after 8 hours or the person who passed after 48? )

In essence Lily, (if you pardon the pun) doesnt sound like a complete car crash on the roads!

Unfortunately, she has become completely caught up with the issues caused by having an incompatible driving instructor, causing a lack of confidence and an element of overthinking.

Lily, my advice would be to forget about getting any recourse from Brittania...the quest for this is stopping you focusing on the true helpful action here; finding another compatible driving instructor, finishing the job of learning to drive and pass you test, then going on to develop your driving skills over the years.

I wish you well.

Hi Mollycat.

This was just meant as a bit of levity, and was in no way aimed at Lily. She wouldn't have got so far with her lessons if her instructor thinks that she will never be a safe driver.

My mum, however, would never have been a safe driver as she would have been too busy looking for 'sale' signs in shop windows or waving at any friends she saw to even bother about watching the traffic around her! She was also physically incapable of changing gears etc without looking down at her feet, counting her feet and the pedals (and commenting on how daft it was to have 3 pedals but only 2 feet) and then looking closely at the numbers on the gear knob. This wasn't too bad when we were sat in a parked car, but potentially lethal on the road! Happy memories.

mollycat

Happy memories indeed ST, nice story x