American Express - Leaving UK Debt Behind

Greetings,

I, the spouse and children are moving to New Zealand on Monday morning. We have purchased a property in Wellington and have been accepted for a fantastic employment opportunity.

In 2016, due to unforeseen circumstances, we had a minor cash flow problem. For the first time in forever, I had made one exception to obtain a "credit card" which is alien to me.

After speaking with my financial advisory, which at the time held the legal power to open a credit account on my behalf, was accepted for an American Express credit card.

The Platinum Cashback Everyday Credit Card with a credit limit of £12,500 was assigned. It was, at the time, an emergency implementation to re-calibrate our financial bearing.

After co-operating with HMRC, the business account we held was restored access, which permitted us to restore our financial bearing and no longer required American Express' service.

I closed the business, formally, on Christmas Eve. As of now, our entire net worth has been dedicated to our new start in New Zealand.

This covers the following:

  • Travel Costs
  • Property
  • Human Resource
  • Funds to Cover Temporary Unemployment (UK)

Despite paying the minimum amount, which was above £25 per month, the balance has not reduced below £9500.

Since we are moving to New Zealand and have no plans to return to the United Kingdom within the next 6 years, we felt the option of "Statute Barred" being appropriate.

Since I no longer have a financial advisory, I would like to compile information here. After assessing the situation and bearing in mind our absence, the above would seem wise.

As someone who highly despises the credit industry and has always maintained a mantra of "do not touch what cannot be afforded" - I do not feel morally guilty about "bumping them off" as it were.

I did allow the one exception to my distaste of credit, due to HMRC throwing their weight around and suspending my business account, when the outcome was "Cleared on Merit" making the rough period caused as "pointless" on their part.

In interest, we have paid more than half of what we borrowed, however this is not reflected due to the compound interest applied per calendar month.

Please share resourceful information and advice on this matter.

Yours Faithfully,

Fredrick
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  • gt94sss2
    gt94sss2 Posts: 6,002 Forumite
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    edited 20 January 2018 at 4:17PM
    FredStow wrote: »
    After co-operating with HMRC, the business account we held was restored access, which permitted us to restore our financial bearing and no longer required American Express' service.

    If you didn't require the American Express card, you should have paid it off in full and closed the account.
    I did allow the one exception to my distaste of credit, due to HMRC throwing their weight around and suspending my business account, when the outcome was "Cleared on Merit" making the rough period caused as "pointless" on their part.

    Whatever HMRC may or may not have done is irrelevant. American Express did not do any of that to you. However, they did make credit available to you and your family when you needed it.

    It sounds as if you are just trying and failing to come up with some sort of excuse to avoid paying your debts.

    As it is, if you try and remove yourself from the UK and move to New Zealand, I fully expect American Express to be able to locate you there and take action to recover their debt (and costs).

    You do know Amex operates in NZ don't you?
  • glider3560
    glider3560 Posts: 4,115 Forumite
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    FredStow wrote: »
    I have made tenfold the tax for the United Kingdom than what I borrowed from American Express, I have nothing to be ashamed of.
    What does the amount of tax you have paid to the UK have to do with ripping off a private company?
  • forgotmyname
    forgotmyname Posts: 32,853 Forumite
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    Minimum payment on a £9k debt is £25?
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  • OP you seem very clued up financially speaking, but morally I'm not so sure, as above it is beyond doubt that a worldwide credit provider like Amex will find you.
    i wish you and your family well in your new life one which I am sure you will better enjoy without the burden of debt.
  • FredStow
    FredStow Posts: 12 Forumite
    edited 20 January 2018 at 4:31PM
    Minimum payment on a £9k debt is £25?

    No, I said in the thread "Despite paying the minimum amount, which was above £25 per month" it started off as the latter, but grew as the credit limit decreased.
    glider3560 wrote: »
    What does the amount of tax you have paid to the UK have to do with ripping off a private company?

    Nothing at all, in fact, it is the private companies which deprive the government of taxation. The point is, I will not be treated like scum, as I have paid more tax than I needed to, unlike a lot of my competitors in business were at the time, whom of which used various loopholes. Therefore, I am not a bad character.
    gt94sss2 wrote: »
    If you didn't require the American Express card, you should have paid it off in full and closed the account.



    Whatever HMRC may or may not have done is irrelevant. American Express did not do any of that to you. However, they did make credit available to you and your family when you needed it.

    It sounds as if you are just trying and failing to come up with some sort of excuse to avoid paying your debts.

    As it is, if you try and remove yourself from the UK and move to New Zealand, I fully expect American Express to be able to locate you there and take action to recover their debt (and costs).

    You do know Amex operates in NZ don't you?

    1. I appreciate that is the case, but American Express received a large chunk of their original borrowed amount back, but it was soaked in compound interest which raised the debt.

    2. I do not need to make excuses. I am giving people reasons to not complete the debt, not excuses. The two are different in laying the responsibility.

    3. Moving to New Zealand is not the big getaway to evade the debt, it is a fresh start for the family, where I already now own a property and employment. American Express or not, we would have moved there.

    4. I am aware which international financial brands operate in New Zealand and should American Express peruse the debt overseas, I will personally call it "fair game" and pay it off in full.
  • FredStow
    FredStow Posts: 12 Forumite
    edited 20 January 2018 at 4:38PM
    blindman wrote: »
    You have run up a debt and are now running away without paying.

    You should be ashamed.



    Why come on here to ask advice?

    My advice is pay up :cool:

    You are a scumbag and I really hope Amex catch you.:D

    You answered your own question, I came here to ask for advice.

    Your first post did not give advice, as that, in the English language, is considered an opinion - an unfounded and biased one for that matter.

    Asking for advice should not prompt personal views - advice is text guidance based on unbiased and factual intellectualism.

    Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant and I would rather you made yourself useful somewhere else on the website. If you feel passionate on the issue, work for American Express' collection team chasing debt.
  • cajef
    cajef Posts: 6,283 Forumite
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    FredStow wrote: »
    I came here to ask for advice.

    You will not get any advice or sympathy on this site by trying and thinking that by moving to the other side of the world you can avoid paying a debt, you have posted on the wrong site.
  • Edi81
    Edi81 Posts: 1,493 Forumite
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    New Zealand are welcome to you.

    And what’s with the long winded writing style?

    I hope Amex find you and get their money back.
  • cajef
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    Before it gets deleted:-

    FredStow wrote: »
    Greetings,

    I, the spouse and children are moving to New Zealand on Monday morning. We have purchased a property in Wellington and have been accepted for a fantastic employment opportunity.

    In 2016, due to unforeseen circumstances, we had a minor cash flow problem. For the first time in forever, I had made one exception to obtain a "credit card" which is alien to me.

    After speaking with my financial advisory, which at the time held the legal power to open a credit account on my behalf, was accepted for an American Express credit card.

    The Platinum Cashback Everyday Credit Card with a credit limit of £12,500 was assigned. It was, at the time, an emergency implementation to re-calibrate our financial bearing.

    After co-operating with HMRC, the business account we held was restored access, which permitted us to restore our financial bearing and no longer required American Express' service.

    I closed the business, formally, on Christmas Eve. As of now, our entire net worth has been dedicated to our new start in New Zealand.

    This covers the following:


    • Travel Costs
    • Property
    • Human Resource
    • Funds to Cover Temporary Unemployment (UK)

    Despite paying the minimum amount, which was above £25 per month, the balance has not reduced below £9500.

    Since we are moving to New Zealand and have no plans to return to the United Kingdom within the next 6 years, we felt the option of "Statute Barred" being appropriate.

    Since I no longer have a financial advisory, I would like to compile information here. After assessing the situation and bearing in mind our absence, the above would seem wise.

    As someone who highly despises the credit industry and has always maintained a mantra of "do not touch what cannot be afforded" - I do not feel morally guilty about "bumping them off" as it were.

    I did allow the one exception to my distaste of credit, due to HMRC throwing their weight around and suspending my business account, when the outcome was "Cleared on Merit" making the rough period caused as "pointless" on their part.

    In interest, we have paid more than half of what we borrowed, however this is not reflected due to the compound interest applied per calendar month.

    Please share resourceful information and advice on this matter.

    Yours Faithfully,

    Fredrick
  • blindman
    blindman Posts: 5,673 Forumite
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    FredStow wrote: »

    Your first post did not give advice, as that, in the English language, is considered an opinion - an unfounded and biased one for that matter.

    You provided details of your debt and how you were running away so how is that unfounded?

    Asking for advice should not prompt personal views - advice is text guidance based on unbiased and factual intellectualism.



    .

    My advice was PAY UP.
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