The Great Big Homelessness/Capitalism/Socialism Thread

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

economic wrote: »

As i said the DWP do a lot more then what charities do. They have a much wider mandate.

Im not saying doing it the DWP way is cheap. There is a lot of potential to cut costs with the DWP. All i am saying is that charities are highly inefficient and pretty much replaceable by the DWP. If i had a choice, to give £1 to the poor via the DWP or a charity, its clear that my money would go a much further if i gave the £1 to the DWP.

Where would you prefer to give your hard earned dosh to - the DWP or charity?

The DWP don't have to do anything other than admin and pay out money. The fact that you can't comprehend the difference between the running of a charity and the DWP is illuminating.

economic

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn wrote: »

The DWP don't have to do anything other than admin and pay out money. The fact that you can't comprehend the difference between the running of a charity and the DWP is illuminating.

You have no idea how the DWP works.

Are you saying you would rather give £1 (to help the "poor") to a charity then the DWP?

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

economic wrote: »

You have no idea how the DWP works.

Are you saying you would rather give £1 (to help the "poor") to a charity then the DWP?

Ignoring the fact that I worked their for 25% of my life.... Your prior posts alone are enough to tell me you haven't got a clue. But I'm sure you know more than me about the DWP. :money:

economic

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn wrote: »

Hahaha. You're hilarious. Your posts make it sound like you're going to spend the rest of your life alone. I'm sorry that child protection isn't a worthy enough career choice for you.

You probably give a lot more to society than I do. What a wonderful human being you are. Dislike paying tax, don't give charitably. No wonder you're miserable.

I was not joking in my post. I was being serious. Did you actually spend 25% of your life working for the DWP because you could not get a job in the private sector?

The DWP is an awful place to work and i am sorry you wasted your life working there. I think you even know it as you agree that its a wasteful organization.

As for your latest post it just shows how bitter and angry you are. All you come across as is a bully, its very sad being a bully into adulthood.

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

economic wrote: »

I was not joking in my post. I was being serious. Did you actually spend 25% of your life working for the DWP because you could not get a job in the private sector?

The DWP is an awful place to work and i am sorry you wasted your life working there. I think you even know it as you agree that its a wasteful organization.

As for your latest post it just shows how bitter and angry you are. All you come across as is a bully, its very sad being a bully into adulthood.

I'm sorry you feel like you're being bullied. But you're not. You're simply having your views challenged which you clearly can't take.

Remain miserable be happy, whatever, but saying things like "I never felt bad about never giving anything to charity" is why you're going to remain alone and unhappy for the foreseeable.

chucknorris

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn wrote: »

Hahaha. You're hilarious. Your posts make it sound like you're going to spend the rest of your life alone. I'm sorry that child protection isn't a worthy enough career choice for you.

You probably give a lot more to society than I do. What a wonderful human being you are. Dislike paying tax, don't give charitably. No wonder you're miserable.

I normally agree with most that you post (which you are probably already aware).

First of all I must admit that I am a capitalist and I am mostly right wing politically (but not necessarily on health). But I do (like everyone?) dislike paying tax, yet at the same time accept that it is necessary). I wouldn't choose child protection as a career either, but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate those that do.

Maybe you two should sort out your issue with each other away from this forum board.

economic

chucknorris wrote: »

I normally agree with most that you post (which you are probably already aware).

First of all I must admit that I am a capitalist and I am mostly right wing politically (but not necessarily on health). But I do (like everyone?) dislike paying tax, yet at the same time accept that it is necessary). I wouldn't choose child protection as a career either, but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate those that do.

Maybe you two should sort out your issue with each other away from this forum board.

I don't have any issues with him but he seems to have issues with me. Just look at his posts to me.

economic

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn wrote: »

I'm sorry you feel like you're being bullied. But you're not. You're simply having your views challenged which you clearly can't take.

Remain miserable be happy, whatever, but saying things like "I never felt bad about never giving anything to charity" is why you're going to remain alone and unhappy for the foreseeable.

I do not feel bullied at all, just a bit shocked that's all. Most of your posts just portray anger and bitterness (just look at the insults you post to me and to others like crashy). Its ok to throw some light hearted insults but yours take it way too far. Which is why i feel sorry for you as clearly its driven by some anger deep inside of you and so you appear as a bully on the internet.

Also saying what i said about giving nothing to charities and happy about that does not make me a bad person nor does it mean i will remain alone and unhappy. No idea where you got that from. I have many close family members and friends. And despite suffering from depression i enjoy life most of the time.

Anyway I'll leave it at that. Hope you have a good new years.

Jack_Johnson_the_acorn

economic wrote: »

I do not feel bullied at all, just a bit shocked that's all. Most of your posts just portray anger and bitterness (just look at the insults you post to me and to others like crashy). Its ok to throw some light hearted insults but yours take it way too far. Which is why i feel sorry for you as clearly its driven by some anger deep inside of you and so you appear as a bully on the internet.

Also saying what i said about giving nothing to charities and happy about that does not make me a bad person nor does it mean i will remain alone and unhappy. No idea where you got that from. I have many close family members and friends. And despite suffering from depression i enjoy life most of the time.

Anyway I'll leave it at that. Hope you have a good new years.

Well from the posts that I've read of yours I find you quite unlikeable... That's life. If you're shocked by what I've posted it's because you're not airing these views publicly. I've seen a few other people on here telling you that they find you or your views abhorrent.

As for the rest of your post, it doesn't need addressing as it's dross.

Cakeguts

Windofchange wrote: »

Ok, so from a thread on brexit and house prices that got the Great Ape treatment:



The data that he is using to base his assumptions on from 2002:



Two reports from the last couple of years that state it is nowhere near as much as he is claiming:

39% having drug and alcohol problems:

https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/our-research/homelessness-and-health-research

Or 29% if you prefer Crisis:

https://www.crisis.org.uk/ending-homelessness/health-and-wellbeing/drugs-and-alcohol/

Of course, more relevant up to date facts are not enough for the Ape:



And of course the fact that a 2002 study differs from a 2015 one in something such as societal change is down to the fact that all studies are useless. This is despite my Crisis report stating that things have changed, and now it is far more common for regular Joe's to be caught up in all this.



All this washed down with the usual you just don't understand, you're not a master of stats like me, I know a policeman who said that all homeless are druggies.

This isn't even a comment on capitalism vs communism. There are losers in North Korea I'm sure. It is simply asking Great Ape to back up his prejudices with facts, which to date he has not been able to do. All he is able to do is have a rant about a study from 15 years ago, and then give some anecdotes such as I was at a wedding the other day and someone I know is a policeman.

There goes some more research that has probably been paid for out of charitable donations and is mostly a waste of time.

You have to go back to why people take drugs and alcohol and in many cases it is due to a failing by the NHS. The NHS is really really bad at mental illness. Many people with a mental illness finish up self medicating. They can't get any help from the NHS so they use drink or drugs instead.

Some of the housing charities use children in adverts to scam the public out of money.

Children finish up living in homeless hostels because of choices made by their parents. These parents are entitled to their choices in life. No charity has the right to dictate to parents what they should or shouldn't choose to do. Those same parents had a choice to find somewhere else to live. If they want to house their children in a homeless hostel no one has the right to say that they shouldn't.

No charity can find housing for anyone unless they buy or rent properties for them. They can't do anymore than the parents themselves.