BT Basic and FTTP

Alloneword

I have been told by BT chat that FTTP is not going to be sold to people on BT Basic, if i want FTTP I MUST upgrade my phone line to a normal cost.
So in effect poor people won't be able to access ultrafast broadband, does anyone know anything about this?

All1

Quentin

Alloneword wrote: »

I have been told by BT chat that FTTP is not going to be sold to people on BT Basic, if i want FTTP I MUST upgrade my phone line to a normal cost.
So in effect poor people won't be able to access ultrafast broadband, does anyone know anything about this?....

It's always a question of living within your means.

We can't all afford fibre BB/fast cars/boxes at the opera!!

Alloneword

Thanks for your words of wisdom Quentin but it don't help me with my question much does it?

unforeseen

Their business model, their choice.

Ultrafast broadband is also supplied as G.Fast over copper. It's not limited to FTTP or FTTPoD.

I guess you asked them about FTTP and not ultrafast broadband.

Alloneword

unforeseen wrote: »

Their business model, their choice.

To a point.
My problem here is their business model is excluding those on certain benefits from ultrafast broadband.

All1

StevieJ

Not sure why you need any phone line with FTTP, that being a stand alone service not requiring a telephone line?

Hoogle

FTTP broadband is really not a viable solution unless you are really stuck in a rural area, however most places will have fiber optic by 2020 to the exchange. I stream a lot and can only just do it at decent quality with the 21mbps upload speed with virgin media vivid gamer 200 mbps package of course when you take the 21 mbps upload speed that only uploads at 2megabytes which is the bare minimum really to stream at 720p the 1st year of bt quote to get fttp to property which is a gigabit upload/download was going to cost nearly £4000 installation and 1st year which really is not justified for my usage.

Yes it is very expensive and if your not in an area with 10mbps download speed by end of 2018 my friend was saying he can get a grant from the Government towards fttp or satellite.

But being on benefits doesnt mean you should be entitled to live like a wealthy person, it is designed to be enough to live you cant walk into harrods and say what prices do you do for people on benefits....

my friend who lives on a farm actually gets better broadband by tethering to a 3 mobile phone with all you can eat data and an app he uses that tricks the phone into believeing it is not tethered he gets 18mbps download and 14 upload but in a poor 4g area.

iniltous

Alloneword wrote: »

I have been told by BT chat that FTTP is not going to be sold to people on BT Basic, if i want FTTP I MUST upgrade my phone line to a normal cost.
So in effect poor people won't be able to access ultrafast broadband, does anyone know anything about this?

All1

BT Basic is a 'social tariff' that BT is obliged to offer to those on some state benefits , it's purpose is so those eligible are not excluded from basic phone and broadband , but at the same time , if someone is eligible for BT Basic but can afford FTTP (a premium broadband product) IMHO effectively proves that they are not really in need of state aid in this area .

If someone is in a FTTP only area , ( some new builds ) then a social tariff should still be available, but the basic nature of the service would still apply.
If the address has an ordinary copper line as well as FTTP , then I don't see the problem, want the social tariff, stay on the copper service, want FTTP , give up the 'entitlement' to BT Basic and pay the same commercial rate as everyone else for FTTP, if FTTP is all that's available, presumably a basic service should be made available over it

mac.d

Alloneword wrote: »

My problem here is their business model is excluding those on certain benefits from ultrafast broadband.

No one is excluded from ultrafast broadband because they are on benefits. You can still pay the going rate just the same as anyone else.

Alloneword

Some of you are not grasping the point here, i was worried about talking about Basic as everyone who seems to be on any state help is a scumbag, i'll go through this slowly and maybe someone could give some helpfull info rather then stop trying to get something for nothing attitude.

I get BT Basic on my copper line due to an Illness as a kid (google meningococcal meningitis and some of you may get an idea of some of the issues i have, although every victim is different), where i live in London we are on EO lines only so no cabs for us, also no virgin and no FTTP (up until a few weeks ago) prior to that we were looking at speeds from 300k up to fastest speed of about 4mbits, we have been trying for years to get some kinf speed round here and some of us have been lucky to get hooked up, like myself.

BT Basic is good for me as i don't make may calls and we still need copper line for asdl stuff right now, however when in touch with BT they say if you want FTTP you HAVE to dump BT Basic and full line rental.

So someone like me who's only option to go faster then 4mbit is to dump my cheaper line rental and pay normal rates, now please bear in mind i'm not talking about 300mbit here i'm talking in my case 20-30mbit would do me.

Now i know some of you will still hate the idea that anyone gets cheap line rental but there is little i can do about that, but when you look at my situation FTTP is my only option, i understand i will pay normal market rates for FTTP and i have no issue with that, i'm just saying for people like me who are given FTTP as our ONLY option of getting a half decent speed why must we be punished by going for full line rental, we will already be paying more then most due to FTTP be so new, you now want us to pay full line renta rate, plus on top of that our income is a fraction of most people in the UK, again given we don't work i don't expect to have the money of a working household.

All1

Browntoa

Afraid BTs global obligation only extends to supplying A phone line and broadband

It does not oblige them to supply FTTP

So yes it's sad that you cannot get faster speeds at this time but maybe your gripe is with the government .

There is likely to be changes to BTs global obligation to include a minimum broadband speed in the range of 20mb ( but why as a private company BT is compelled to do this and SKY ,Talktalk etc are not made to contribute at all although they piggy back BT network ? )